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jay.validus

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The Need for Sleep
« on: April 22, 2015, 12:43:52 PM »
I have read a previous post on here about less sleep when meditating regularly. I was told but other mediators you eventually need less sleep.  However, I am finding this is not the case for me.  For my body to get good rest I need nine hours of sleep of night, sometimes ten.  I push my body pretty hard physically so I never thought much of it.

After spending a couple months at a meditation centre, meditating and sleeping less, coming back home, still meditating but sleeping seven or eight hours, after a few months my body finally said, "Sorry, I need the sleep. I cannot function".  I am now back to sleeping nine to ten hours a night. If I am tired I cannot focus or do my job because of it.  I was making mistakes, obvious mistakes I would not make otherwise.  I end up being so exhausted all the time I cannot focus.

I am finding the notion of a meditation practice and less sleep to be untrue for me.  Sure, I have benefited in other ways to make time, like eliminating pointless activities such as television. I am doing something more fruitful, like meditation, or even other wholesome activities. But, less sleep, nothing.  It doesn't work.   It's bullshit.

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Re: The Need for Sleep
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2015, 02:19:58 PM »
To me right livelihood also means sleeping when tired, eating when hungry, drinking when thirsty.  It is all about listening carefully to the needs of the body and providing them.  If your body needs more sleep, then you should give it to the body.

When I was younger teens up to 21 I found my body needed about 10 hours of sleep every day.  After I took up a contemplative life I found the body needed less sleep, but I was not working the body hard at the time.  Perhaps your work is hard upon your body, so you need more rest?  I also realize now that my body has had an auto-immune problem since I was 15, and I believe that its excessive need for rest teens to 20s was due to this auto-immune problem.
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Re: The Need for Sleep
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2015, 04:22:35 PM »
I used to sleep about 5 to 6 hours a day. Ever since I started cycling about 2 to 3 hours a day, I needed 8 hours of sleep. I think it all depends on how long one meditates (how many years and experiences). I won't say it's bullshit.

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Re: The Need for Sleep
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2015, 06:51:31 PM »
There are many factors accounting for changes in sleep patterns, ranging anywhere from diet changes, nutritional changes - even sunlight exposure. For example, in the winter months it tends to get cloudy and cold and people suffer from a mild form of seasonal affective disorder - For this we use bright light therapy to stimulate hormonal changes, starting from the pineal gland.

Sleep patterns are affected by the interaction of physiology and the environment and I don't see how reducing your sleep to suboptimal hours can make you any healthier.

As Jhanananda said, less taxing work could mean lesser time required for the body's recuperation. Also, it could also be that you are sleeping "shallow" instead of having deep, restful sleep, incurring sleep debts that spill over to the rest of the weeks.

I too, personally find that I require about 8 hours sleep to perform optimally. However, if I meditate before bed, I can sometimes make it about 6 to 7 (I do not know why). Also, I have caffeine as a confounding factor since I do take routinely timed coffee.
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Re: The Need for Sleep
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2015, 10:12:36 AM »
I guess such is the nature of life. No big deal because it is always the way it has been for me, so it is not like I get what it is like to sleep for 5 hours and wake up feeling refreshed :P

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Re: The Need for Sleep
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2015, 12:52:01 PM »
Just to add one more point.  I found over the years that my body needs sufficient rest to perform properly the next day; however, I was also committed to meditating before and after sleep, so some nights I knew that I was not going to get the amount of sleep-time that the body needs if I meditated; however, I also knew if I skipped my meditation time, then I would be deficient there.  So, early on I reasoned that if I meditate deeply, then my body is at rest, so that my meditation time could be added into my sleep-time.  I found it worked, so that I could add my meditation time to my sleep time, and end up giving the body its 8 hours of require rest to perform properly.
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Re: The Need for Sleep
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2015, 01:39:17 AM »
So far I have not found that is the case for me. I keep physically active, if I do not get enough sleep, I will fall asleep during my sits.  I have found I can sometimes just sleep there while meditating, while other times I could spend the whole hour losing balance about to pass out, only to catch it a second later.  Using my head, I think it is best to get sufficient sleep. Maybe with a decade or more of practice there will be a change of my mind and body, but not right now.  No biggie. 

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Re: The Need for Sleep
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2015, 11:39:40 AM »
I agree, there is no point in reducing one's sleep, especially if it makes one sleepy during meditation practice.
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