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guilotine

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Do thoughts really create reality?
« on: October 30, 2015, 07:32:58 AM »
The new age movement has the firm belief that our thoughts are made up of energy and that thoughts can create reality. This has been made very famous by documentaries like "The Secret" that a lot of people believe in it and there are now many methods to program the subconscious mind to have good beliefs so that they will manifest in physical reality. I was always and still am skeptical about it but am keeping an open mind.  There have also been many eastern gurus who proclaim the same beliefs. One of the more popular ones was Swami Sivananda. In his book "Thought Power" he proclaims multiple times that thoughts create reality.

http://www.dlshq.org/download/thought_power.htm

There is also the work of the early new age writer William Walker Atkinson who has written many books under various pseudonyms about the power of the mind.
My belief has always been that the mind does have power over reality but only when it is developed to high levels through meditation. The extent of this power I do not know because abilities such as flying and teleporting do seem to be a little too much to believe. I believe that this view has come from the fact that I was born and raised in a Buddhist Society and have heard many stories that the Buddha and Muggallana performed many miracles and such. In his book "Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha", Daniel Ingram has devoted  a small section to Magick and psychic powers. His method for using intention manifestation involve entering the 4th jhana and then visualizing the desired outcome in great detail. 

http://static.squarespace.com/static/5037f52d84ae1e87f694cfda/t/5055915f84aedaeee9181119/1347785055665/  go to page 144.

There have been other mentions about the power of the mind by people who have accessed the jhanas such as Illuminatus in his blog -

http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/

Siro from the yoga forums -

http://www.yogaforums.com/forums/f20/the-science-of-passing-through-solid-objects-siddhi-prakamya-10358.html

And the reddit threads of Absolutus -

https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/1u9acp/ama_ive_been_doing_concentration_meditation/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/2ggqkj/ama_ive_been_doing_concentration_meditation_daily/

In this forum I haven't read of any abilities even though there are some very advanced meditators here.
I have always been fascinated by the abilites of the mind and exploring them so that is one reason why I am asking this question. The other reason is that I am trying to understand the concept of Karma. Karma is a very strong concept in Eastern religions and I have been brought up with the firm belief that our actions and intentions will create our future due to karma. The way I saw it was that this was evidence that supported the hypothesis that thoughts have power over reality because it seemed that people who harbored evil thoughts would be reborn in lower realms and vice versa. I would like to hear the opinion of Jhanananda and other enlightened beings and advanced meditators about whether Karma is a legitimate concept or not.

If it is, wouldn't that mean that our minds do indeed have some power over physical reality? If it is not, then how are some beings reborn in higher dimensions and others in the lower ones? And how are some people born into this physical world in to good families with great genetics and others into poverty?

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Re: Do thoughts really create reality?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2015, 01:28:13 PM »
Thank-you, guilotine, for posting your most interesting question.

When I took up a contemplative life I had many of these same questions:

1] If I came from the massively dysfunctional family system that I did, which abused me horribly, then i must have done some seriously evil things in my current lifetime, or a previous lifetime.

2] In the first year of my contemplative life I discovered deep meditation.  I figured that if I had discovered deep meditation, then I must, by definition, be leading a righteous life, and thus I had clearly please god/brahma, and thus the lord and creator of the universe would bestow: name, fame power and wealth upon me, because the Bible told me so.

3] Since I had discovered deep meditation, then all of those "truly enlightened spiritual masters" who were all hocking their wears wherever we go, would then acknowledge my attainments, and welcome me as a brother.

4] if Buddhism genuinely had a community (sangha) of enlightened priests, then they surely would acknowledge my superior attainments (maha-phala).

5] Since I found ample superior attainments (maha-phala); then I would be able to: levitate, walk on water and do all of the other fantastic magic tricks that are associated with the saints of every religions.

What I found was:

1] Yes, I had some adolescent rebellion, but it was nothing like most of my peers, who appeared to be loved by their family; whereas, my family of origin made a career out of doing me harm until the death of my two parents, since my sisters were participants in my abuse as a child, and continued to participate in abusing me while my parents were alive, then I believe it is only reasonable to consider that they are actively doing me harm now, and until they are dead. 

Along my path of deep meditation, and while attending my first 10-day meditation retreat in 1975, I recalled most of my previous lifetimes.  There I found I had been a mystic in most of my previous lifetimes, and I was marginalized in most of those lifetimes.  We should also not forget that most mystics were marginalized during their lifetime.

2] After discovering deep meditation, and transforming my life so that I was free of addiction and other obsessions, I was therefore leading a "righteous" lifestyle; however, no: name, fame power or wealth came my way, so I had to conclude that, while I had direct experience of the sacred during deep meditation, the experience of deep meditation, and the other superior fruit of attainment (mahaphala) were going to be the only benefits, and there would be no material benefits.

3]  I found those "truly enlightened spiritual masters" who were aggressively marketing themselves as the "guru for the Aquarian age" were not interested in my attainment of the superior fruit (mahaphala).

4]  I also found the priests of Buddhism were no more interested in my attainment of the superior fruit (mahaphala) than the gurus for the Aquarian age.

5] While I found ample superior attainments (maha-phala); nonetheless, I could not levitate, walk on water or do any of the other fantastic magic tricks that are associated with the saints of every religions.

Thus, I had to conclude that the attainment of the superior fruit (mahaphala) was purely subjective, and most of the central premises of the most of the religions, including the New Age movement, were deeply flawed.

So, if you are looking for evidence of fantastic magic tricks, like: levitate, walking on water and do all of the other fantastic magic tricks that are associated with the saints of every religions, then you are not going to find them here.  Also since we here have found that the attainment of the superior fruit (mahaphala) requires stilling the mind, among other things, then your central question, "Do thoughts really create reality?" is not supported by our findings here.

So, we can save you a lot of trouble, and you can go elsewhere.  Do let us know when you find someone who can genuinely manifest the fantastic magic tricks that are associated with the saints of every religions, or at least can "think and grow rich."
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Re: Do thoughts really create reality?
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2015, 08:02:42 PM »
Excellent post, thank you.
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Re: Do thoughts really create reality?
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2015, 01:09:55 AM »
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