All about OBES, lucid dreaming, remote viewing and anything else

[stugandolf]

All,  I wonder what to think about OBES and remote viewing.  Usually I fly off to places I know for about 50 years or so, but when I went to the far side of the moon I was not too interested -  so what is and can an OBE that could also be also remote viewing?  AS for lucid dreaming - only done this for a few years, what connects them all including anything else?  So what are the connections here?  If any.  Sometimes I think "oh you are playing trivial pursuit again"...   Stu

[Cal]

All,  I wonder what to think about OBES and remote viewing.  Usually I fly off to places I know for about 50 years or so, but when I went to the far side of the moon I was not too interested -  so what is and can an OBE that could also be also remote viewing?  AS for lucid dreaming - only done this for a few years, what connects them all including anything else?  So what are the connections here?  If any.  Sometimes I think "oh you are playing trivial pursuit again"...   Stu

Well, I have very limited knowledge about the subjects in their entirety, but I could still share my understanding of each of them.

Remote viewing- In a deep meditative state one might enter into a brief "daydream". This state would include a limited surrounding and sometimes a short string of events or a "picture". The space is extremely vivid, in that every detail is discernable, yet there would not be a full surrounding or the awareness of your own self. One watches through a looking glass upon a TV screen.

Lucid Dreaming- This can vary in degree, in my experience. In some of the more "distant" dreams, the details of a surrounding can unfold and there is an entire "environment". You are in this place, a part of, and at times a director of events. There can be a sense of self in that you are taking a first person view to the events. Yet one is bound within a confine of the space that one shares. But, there have been recollections of past lives where all of the above was included, except there was a hyper real sense of the body. Likewise there have been dreams where desires or repressed emotions have been brought to light with a hyper-real sense of the body. I would say what fully separates this from the OOBE is the level of awareness one has of the body and will.

OOBE- I have found this to be more of a willful event. Every last stinking detail is felt in every part of yourself. There is a cool breeze to your body. You can fly through a cloud and feel the raindrops upon your "skin". You are free in this space and nothing can confine you. You have become the master of self and can do anything you desire. Yet I believe this is also where lucid dreaming comes in. You begin to lucid dream if you are aware in this space, yet not in control of your desire. If "control" is a good word for this, idk.

Hope this helps =)

[Jhanananda]

Cal's descriptions are quite good, but I will refine the definitions a little:

Remote viewing-
The ability to project your senses, especially vision to another location.  It is typically willful.

Lucid Dreaming-
Lucid Dreaming is a hyper-real dream state, which does not include the leaving and/or return to the body, and flight

OOBE-
The OOBE is a hyper-real state, which does often include the leaving and/or return to the body, and, most significantly involves the sensation of flight.  The experience of flight in an OOBE is often felt as high speed.

[stugandolf]

I do OBES to avoid traffic tickets... Stu

[stugandolf]

Jeffrey ,  How  about an OBE during which I project my senses to another location?  Or is this a contradiction in terms.  I often have OBES where I fly above a known area to investigate vibrations - as in is everything ok there?  Also once during a Goenka retreat, I believe in Jaipur, India, I have mentioned this to you before, at about day 6 I while fully awake, aware, my eyes open and sitting on a cushion  and I very clearly saw about 10 TV like screens of scenes that I could enter into,  they were  detailed, I choose to enter the scene in a large, high domed ceiling  London railway station where I was about to talk with a tall man dressed in wool suit and smoking a pipe when the session ended.  I was sure it was 1910.  You noted that it might have been a past life.  But was this an OBE also or  something else?  I have zoned out and lost the thread of what I was going to say.  So much for my usual 2'nd state I often operate in.  Stu

[Jhanananda]

Jeffrey ,  How  about an OBE during which I project my senses to another location?  Or is this a contradiction in terms.  I often have OBES where I fly above a known area to investigate vibrations - as in is everything ok there? 

Either in an OOBE or during remote viewing I have found I can sense with something that seems like physical senses, so for me it is not just visual.

Also once during a Goenka retreat, I believe in Jaipur, India, I have mentioned this to you before, at about day 6 I while fully awake, aware, my eyes open and sitting on a cushion  and I very clearly saw about 10 TV like screens of scenes that I could enter into,  they were  detailed, I choose to enter the scene in a large, high domed ceiling  London railway station where I was about to talk with a tall man dressed in wool suit and smoking a pipe when the session ended.  I was sure it was 1910.  You noted that it might have been a past life.  But was this an OBE also or  something else?  I have zoned out and lost the thread of what I was going to say.  So much for my usual 2'nd state I often operate in.  Stu

Most of my previous life time recoveries would fall into the class of an OOBE.  I find the OOBE is not limited to either space or time.  So, I can move about in time as easily as in space.  So, I see no reason why you could not be able to do that. But, we could call this something else, if people want to.