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« on: December 30, 2015, 01:14:37 AM »

      Hello, my name is João, I'm a 23 year old brazilian and I have been practicing meditation daily (though some days I get lazy) for a little over a year now, somedays I do 2 hours some days 1 hour..
      I guess I always had some kind of inclination towards meditation, I remember my father telling me a story that he made up - as he always did every night when I was a child - while  I was on my bed at night, about a homeless man that travelled around the world and meditated. When he said that the man meditated I thought "wow, that's cool". My mom also told me that I used to listen to self-hypnosis discs that they bought when I was a child and stayed there with my eyes closed listening to it for about an hour. But it seems that my interest in spirituality ended at my teens, I was very anxious,lonely and sort of scared all the time, it seems that meditation would have been a good thing for me, but since I was in a very atheistic/materialistic phase of my life, it would be very unlikely for me to engage in any sort of spiritual practice.
        I regained my interest in spirituality around 2011, when I was 19 years old.Not coincidentally in the end of that year I had my first psychotic episode, which lasted for about a month or two, it was quite a dramatic and scary experience.
        In the middle of 2013 I started to watch and read about buddhism and meditation and tried meditating a few times, it wasn't so good except one time when I was doing loving-kindness meditation and had a sort of love orgasm on my chest. That's when I was convinced that there was something really extraordinary about meditation, but strangelly enought it didn't make me engage in a daily practice, except for using the mental noting technique informally throught the day.
      In the beginning of 2014 I went to a place that had cerimonies with the famous hallucinogenic brew called "Ayahuasca", since the ritual use of Ayahuasca is legal here in Brazil I went there and drank it without many difficulties. I drank it a total of 4 times, it was quite a dramatic experience that really opened my mind and showed me, like the love orgasm on the chest did, that the way "normal" people experience reality is not the only way possible. On the week that followed the 4th time I drank the brew I was on a sort of altered state 24/7 that seems very close to the description that I had of jhanas, it was probably the 1st or 2nd. But, unexpectedly, I had a second psychotic episode when the altered state ceased. It was the most terrifying hellish experience I’ve ever had, and I don't wish it even to the worst person that ever existed. After that I started meditating daily, but it was kind of difficult, specially because I would have some version of that hellish experience every week to some degree, it just stopped happening in the middle of this year.
      Meditation seemed like the right way to go, because altough  Ayahuasca opened my mind for the possibilities, it didn’t change my mind in a profound way, I was back to my misery after the effect ended.
   So, after a year of meditation I can relate to some of the experiences Jhananda and some people here describe, such as feeling the Aura, which I can feel around my head and feet, and I also can pulsate it at a certain frequency at will. I get a sort of pleasent elation sometimes, but not consistently, I don’t know if I feel safe to call it the 1st jhana. I can’t still my mind yet so I’m definatelly not getting to the 2nd jhana. Sometimes I feel insecure that I will never be able to get to these states, but I try to let go of worry. I also had one week this year in July where I could get to a VERY nice state every day, but it faded away.
   To sum it up,meditation has made my life better for sure, I’m way less angry and way more happy. It is hard some days and easier at others, but in general things are getting better.

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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2015, 01:48:20 AM »
Welcome to the forum, panegalli.

Ayahuasca and other hallucinogenics are said to be like looking into a window of the house that is the religious experience. I have found too often in case histories and other materials that a "psychotic episode" is only a mis-diagnoses to profound religious experience. Perhaps this is the case with you as well.

I also have had many hellish experiences, and have found them to be expected as one travels down the path to liberation.

The long meditation sits are indicative of good things to come. Feel free to ask questions and browse through the case histories here, you may find some of them to be pretty close to your own experiences.

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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2016, 09:39:59 PM »
Welcome to the forum, panegalli, and thank-you so much for posting your blog here.  I expect that you will find that meditation will give you excellent coping mechanisms for dealing with any psychotic episodes, and it is possible that those episodes might very well have been misdiagnosed religious experiences.

It does sound like you have arrived at the first jhana.  Now, to get to stilling your mind.

Ayahuasca and other hallucinogenics are said to be like looking into a window of the house that is the religious experience.

So true, Cal, so true.  We find here we have no longer a need for drug induced psychedelic experiences, because deep meditation is just so much better.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2016, 09:46:51 PM by Jhanananda »
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2016, 11:14:40 PM »
A little update. I've been getting pretty solid piti and sukha latelly, also a lot of overwhelming feelings of love, I'm not sure if my mind is getting still, but it seems it is a little bit. I've been trying to do at least 4 hours a day, probably 6.
        Sometimes I feel such joy that I want to cry, would you guys say this is the 1st jhana or the 2nd?

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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2016, 11:27:19 AM »
A little update. I've been getting pretty solid piti and sukha latelly, also a lot of overwhelming feelings of love, I'm not sure if my mind is getting still, but it seems it is a little bit. I've been trying to do at least 4 hours a day, probably 6.
        Sometimes I feel such joy that I want to cry, would you guys say this is the 1st jhana or the 2nd?

With the arising of bliss and joy, if that is what piti and sukha mean to you, then it is reasonable to consider that your heart is opening.  In this case one has to be careful not to turn it into a romantic adventure and to observe discipline at this time.

If you are not sure if your mind is becoming still, then you are not likely to have arrived at the 2nd jhana, or deeper.  With deep meditation comes deep self-awareness. So, then you will know when your mind is still. 

On the other hand, if you are consistently meditating skillfully 4-6 hours a day, then your mind should be stilling soon.
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2016, 08:01:53 PM »
There was a plane crash with the soccer team of my town here in Brazil, nearly everyone died. Including the vice-director which lived here at my building, really cool dude, it's so sad. The energy is so heavy, I can't meditate. I hope things will get better.

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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2016, 05:22:12 PM »
I am so sorry to read of the local tragedy.  Eventually calm, will return to you, when it does, do not forget to begin meditation again.  Keep coming back to your meditation practice.  Keep going deeper.  When you have gone to the depth of the 3rd stage consistently, then you will have the equanimity that will sustain you through such tragedies in the future.
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2017, 03:30:15 AM »
I'm going through a really bad spiritual crisis. I'm experiencing feelings of complete and utter terror and existencial angst. It's really hard, I'm glad this community exists

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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2017, 04:26:12 PM »
Yes, as I see it, this forum is a peer-level support group for modern day mystics.  I am glad to know that we help you to traverse your spiritual crises.
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2017, 06:07:37 PM »
I've been feeling my throat chakra quite a bit latelly. I'm getting also some unpleasent feelings on my throat, feels like punctures, it seems to be repressed crying.

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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2017, 02:55:00 PM »
Yes, as I awoke to my throat chakra, I found some discomfort, which required quite a bit of equanimity.  So, keep meditating, and find some comfort in these strange sensations.
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2017, 11:08:32 PM »
I'm also starting to feel a sense of very strong confidence and authority, sometimes I feel like some high rank official of the army, it borders on megalomania, are those qualities related to the throat chakra?

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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2017, 02:38:45 PM »
That is an interesting question, panegalli.  I suppose there are a number of factors at work for the contemplative, who learns to meditate deeply:

1) It usually does not take long for one to realize that most people do not meditate at all.
2) Of those who do meditate, they do not meditate deeply.
3) Consequently, those who do meditate deeply find themselves way ahead of the herd.

However, those who meditate deeply also generally acquire a great deal of humility, so the megalomania that you speak of is generally not present for those who meditate deeply.
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2017, 05:36:57 PM »
Do any of you guys think that meditation could cancel the effect of psychiatric medication? I'm getting to such wonderfully blissful states that it makes me think that. I'm pretty much just taking it because my parents would freak out if I stopped, and I'm financially dependent on them

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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2017, 05:49:23 PM »
I do not know if deep meditation experience over comes the negative effect of psychiatric medication.  I would not think so.  In fact, from our collective experience here, it seems like some psychiatric medication negates the deep meditation experience.  Thus, I recommend people avoid psychiatric medication, while taking up a fruitful contemplative life, which many of us here know from direct experience will overcome many psychiatric conditions, including addiction.
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