Angelology

[Alexander]

Thank you Dave and I hope you will stay with us on the forum, it is interesting to bring in the different traditions. I do admire Jeff’s approach, as I believe it is the most mature. His system integrates the different traditions (ie, Buddhism, Christianity, Sufism, occultism, etc), and places the spiritual experience in the context of the mysticisms of the various world religions.

I’ve had a couple strange experiences, one where I believe my waking awareness projected out in the middle of the room, though I recall it then immediately snapped back into my physical body. I had another where I believe I was standing beside my nighttable (in ghostly form) trying to make an entry in my dream journal but I wasn’t there in the physical LOL.

My pinched nerve obstructed me from practice much of the last year, though I’ve returned this last week to ~2 hours a day. I have not had luck with Jeff’s method (he seems a natural projector unlike me), so I’ve been reading other teachers (Robert Bruce’s 90 day projection guide if you have heard of him). Bruce’s energy work brought tangible results, and I felt the energy passing through the hands and feet (what Jeff associates with the charisms of the third jhana).

I also want to mention the introspective side of the spiritual life which I believe is crucial; the metanoia, the spiritual crisis, the climbing of the Seven Story Mountain. I believe that work is a key part of why we are here.

Re: articles; as I mentioned yesterday I compiled all of them on the companion site which you could use for your perusal. And we could use them as a jumping off point to discuss things. Though I believe there is also a copy of almost everything on here.

Om namah shivaya

[KriyaYogi]

Sure bro, I pretty much am a shut in, living with my spirits, mom, dad and bro since April so lots of time to chat.

My projection experiences are different than most because of the way I was taught I suppose.  It's more like 'astral bilocation' because I experience both realities but not either one fully.  Imagine looking at a projection on a wall of another world, my astral projection is like that, and I don't 'pop out of body' the other reality 'fades in over this reality' like a projector slowly being brightened.  Also I don't experience projections on this world, they all seem to be parallel dimensions and sometimes its the future or the past.  When my training was really strong I could project to other solar systems in the galaxy, apparently.  There were always Archangels protecting me and visiting me during projections as well.  My teacher told me they would guide me.  In that case they were not ghiosts in this reality like my Angel friend but only appeared in the astral projection.

Yes Jeff is very knowledgable about different lineages, I'm a little intellectual but not like him, hah!

Robert Bruce I've heard is good yeah.   I just tried projecting again this afternoon I can still do it, but the transparency of the other world is less opaque than when I was training in 2019-2020.

I also went through alot of spiritual crisis, depression and difficulty.  I kept quitting my job and doing retreat and each retreat it has smoothed out.  From 2007 to 2008 I did one, from 2013 to 2014, from 2016 to 2017 and after 5 years at my last job I left in April.  Each retreat has helped.  Ill check out your site.
Thank you,
-David

[KriyaYogi]

I've had a few strange experiences too.  I've never experienced 'full projection' meaning total loss of awareness of this body but in my deepest projections, which are usually sitting still in front of a mirror my entire body becomes numbed at 8-10 minutes, perhaps it is 4th Jhana, and in deepest projections my focus shifts to a large degree to the parallel reality to the point where I emotionally identify with that reality. 

I tend to go to a reality where my desires get fulfilled, such as after seeing the Movie Captain Marvel I had a desire to meet her and during the next projection I projected to her and we had an adventure.  I came back feeling extremely fullfilled almost like the desire was really lived.  So in that way I think the projections dissolve ego blocks.  -David

[Alexander]

It reminds me of a book called “Phasing Primer” by Xanth I read on a forum once. Phasing from the one reality to the other. 🤔

[KriyaYogi]

Yes that is how I experience 'astral projection'.  It's so different from what most people call 'astral projection' that I hesitate to use the term.  Sometimes I call it 'causal projection'.  Unsure what to call it.  The teacher in this lineage calls it 'DOT Travel' meaning to travel through the dot of the 3rd eye to another place in the multiverse.

    Feel free to ask any more questions about my training although it took substantial effort for about 6 months before I had regular experiences every time I sat at the mirror.  I was lucky I had a part time job that paid so well.  It was alot of work to do that training and work a job.  The ability to travel got to the point where I could do it anywhere if I kept my eyes still, even while typing here, although the opacity of the other world is not as intense as if I sit at a mirror.  I used this ability once to help cross over a friend's passed father, apparently.  My friend a 35 year meditator could also astral project and saw the same scene I did interestingly. -David

[Tad]

Good decision. I cannot wait for the day to come when I no longer have to work a full time job and just focus on practice. This is my biggest dream. But I have a family to support so I need continue at least for now. While I love my family, Im realizing more and more that regular householder life is not for me. Like Buddha said it is confined and dusty...

[KriyaYogi]

Well I have gotten some unexpected financial support this retreat which will allow me to prolong it, maybe to 2 years.  I applied for food stamps which normally you can only get if you are fired but because of Covid I got them and have had then for 10 months now.  I don't have kids luckily, and because I am on food stamps I can get a free government phone and free minutes.

Other than that I just have a few expenses, a little gas, car insurance and a few odds and ends that I have to buy now and then.  Still looking to see if there is more free government money available for my retreat though.  Maybe there are other programs available to cover my odds and ends?

-David