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Jhanananda

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Re: Question about others OBE Experiences
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2023, 02:47:26 PM »
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  when I was out of body sometimes I would enter the person's body who I was sleeping with
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   Thanks for the clarification Jeff.  Very similar to my experience.  I am pleased to see the 'mental projection' I was doing is similar to what happens in full OOBE.   I was told by my teacher that the mental projection leads to full OOBE which he could do.

At about the same time I developed daily OOBEs about 50 years ago I was also doing the exercises to develop lucid dreaming, which I found useful for developing the OOBE. Also at that time I attended the Silva Mind Control workshop. They were all about mental projection, so I found both methods useful in developing the OOBE. But, we should not overlook the fact that I was also practicing meditation at least 3 times a day with the specific intention to develop depth in meditation as defined by Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross. So, for me it was a complete package that worked very well to develop the OOBE.

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  As far as OOB leading to liberation.  I suspect it does, in the sense that it breaks the mind from this realm, breaks down the barriers of attachment to this world.  That is what seemed to happen to my teacher.  Talking to him on the phone after 20 years of him doing OOBE he didn't seem to have many worldly desires left, except to teach others.

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Re: Question about others OBE Experiences
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2023, 11:13:48 PM »
Sounds like we are in total agreement about the OOBE.  Cool!

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Re: Question about others OBE Experiences
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2023, 12:56:29 PM »
I know a Taoist master who literally shut himself in a cave for many weeks just to practice going out of body to visit other realms. However his practice was rather ascetic, and he survived on half a glass of water in that cave while fasting for 49 days. He does talk about charisms, visiting "heavenly planes" and seeing other beings, and has also talked about his students seeing his body doubles. I'm not too sure how to explain body doubles though. He does not talk or brag about these things in the open which makes it difficult to find any writings or recordings, but these were heard behind closed doors.

His teachings usually revolve around firstly building the bodily life force elixir within the lower body, and then the upper body (heart and brow chakras). But more accurately, they don't use chakras as a term, the taoists use elixir fields (tan tien), of which there are three - one behind the navel, one in the chest, another in the third-eye. They also teach a successive cultivation, from life force to chi (energy), from chi to shen (spirit), of which we can then cultivate enough to traverse the universe in an 'immortal fetus' (aka the astral body)
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Re: Question about others OBE Experiences
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2023, 03:44:04 PM »
Nice to hear from you, bodhimind. My take on the body double is there is no material double, but some people with skill in deep meditation can see the astrol body of someone traveling out of body, and mistake it for the real thing.
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Re: Question about others OBE Experiences
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2023, 06:57:40 PM »
Hi Bodhimind, my OOBE teacher also described similar experiences.  He said there was one instance of a body double manifesting and one occurrence of transfiguration for 30 minutes (His physical body turned luminous such that he could walk through walls).  I feel he is at an advanced level because I feel bliss and enter trances when talking to him or watching his videos.   How does talking to your teacher feel if you don't mind me asking?

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Re: Question about others OBE Experiences
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2023, 10:05:39 AM »
Hey Bodhimind,

Interesting story about taoist master. How is it possible? Even Jesus went only 40 days without food and when Buddha almost starved himself to death it seemed to have had an opposite effect.

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Re: Question about others OBE Experiences
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2023, 03:48:07 PM »
Hey Bodhimind,

Interesting story about taoist master. How is it possible? Even Jesus went only 40 days without food and when Buddha almost starved himself to death it seemed to have had an opposite effect.

Well said.
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