Table of attainment

[Alexander]

Arahants

Christ, Siddhartha, Teresa of Avila, John of the Cross,* St. Denis,** Jhanananda, Mohammed, Ramana Maharshi, John the beloved apostle

Nonreturners

Kabir, Gurdjieff,++ St. Francis, Catherine of Siena,*** Rumi, John Climacus, Patanjali, Dante,+ Evelyn Underhill, King Solomon, Nicolas Flamel,++ Henry Suso, the Dalai Lama

Once-returners

Walt Whitman, Carl Jung, Carl Sagan, Gary Weber, Friedrich von Hugel, Lao Tzu, Pythagoras, John the Baptist,+++ Bob Monroe,# Merlin,##, Rabbi Simon,### Yogananda

 

Notes

*Discoverer of the dark night of the soul.

**Note the inclusion of St. Denis - a forgotten figure - but likely also an historical arahant.

***Catherine of Siena (St. Catherine) moved very far, very fast. If she had lived she would have become an arahant. But she died at 33, in the imitation of Christ. She's like the female equivalent of Christ.

+Dante's visions of the spirit realm, which formed the basis of the Comedy, were primarily the product of intuition.

++Alchemist.

+++Discoverer of the first descent into hell (the "metanoia").

#Note Bob Monroe's facility in the out-of-body experience, but his attainment of only once-returning.

##Lost historical figure.

###Author of the Zohar.

*Website link https://alexanderlorincz.com/index.php/articles/table-of-attainment

[Alexander]

I'm pondering some of the saints of Christianity, for example Augustine and Thomas Aquinas, and trying to see if the Director wants me to place them on the table. It's remaining silent. I never read either in detail as it's clear they aren't mystics. It seems a harsh truth about the reality of our spiritual nature.

[Alexander]

It also appears Socrates achieved immortality as a consequence of obtaining the Form of wisdom, but did not have spiritual attainment outside of this.

It appears Plato comprehended the underlying spiritual structure of the universe, but did not have spiritual attainment outside of this.

[Alexander]

The filmmaker Darren Aronofsky may be a once-returner... though I will not include him on the table as he is not a spiritual teacher. His film The Fountain appears to be a powerful revealed work, similar to The Matrix.

Re: Augustine and Aquinas. Their omission doesn't mean they don't have a heavenly afterlife... however, they will eventually have to be reborn, as opposed to those who achieve nonreturning.

[Alexander]

Hm so Christ and Mohammed had relatively few OOB tier experiences. This is obvious when reading the teachings of both. However it is clear the Buddha was a master of the OOBE, due to the extensive descriptions of the spirit realm in the suttas.

The Maharshi also only had one major OOB experience which we recall from his history. Yet he still achieved self-realization.

There was a poverty of literature on the OOBE until the experiences and writings of Bob Monroe in the US.

[Alexander]

Hm Dante’s visions of the spirit realm, which formed the basis of the Comedy, were primarily the product of intuition. I’m not sure of his experience of the OOBE.

[Alexander]

Hm Catherine of Siena (St. Catherine) moved very far, very fast. If she had lived she would have become an arahant. Ah but she died at 33, in the imitation of Christ. She’s like the female equivalent of Christ.

I can’t believe I missed her. What a remarkable, saintly, superhuman. A true worthy one and mystic. A champion of the race. 😭

[Alexander]

Hm the nonreturners were all geniuses. Absolutely brilliant people.

[Alexander]

Ok there are no streamwinners because streamwinners are knowledge collectors. Once it reaches critical mass, they induce the first descent into hell. If they navigate it they emerge as a once-returner.

Hm Alan Watts was brilliant. And knew a lot. But he never induced the spiritual crisis. He was killed by his unconsciousness.

Edit: He used alcohol to taper off the spiritual crisis until it killed him.

*Knowledge of the spiritual crisis, and its need for development, is essential.

[Alexander]

Hm Mohammed was ignorant of being so he didn’t know Christ’s nature. Ah but he is a prophet, he should know better. Shame on him.

[Alexander]

Hm the Buddha was ignorant of the Mysteries. Including the power of virginity.

[KriyaYogi]

>>>
Ok there are no streamwinners because streamwinners are knowledge collectors.
>>>
   I tend to agree.  First initiation to me is a person who has reached the ability to have regular OOBE and is collecting knowledge in that way.  Reaching second initiation of four you enter much deeper cosmic states being and are overcome by the mysterious nature of the Universe.  Your sense of self, and time is somewhat effaced by the stunning awe and cosmic majesty of the higher worlds (galaxies and greater stuctures of the cosmos) like Ramana Maharishi.

For Ahahats alive today I would recommend investigating M.P. Singh as Shiva Bala Yogi (who is said to be the reincarnation of Ramakrishna by some psychics) and also Maha Ananda Siddha.  They are the ones I personally feel have achieved completion.

-David

[Alexander]

>>>
Ok there are no streamwinners because streamwinners are knowledge collectors.
>>>
   I tend to agree.  First initiation to me is a person who has reached the ability to have regular OOBE and is collecting knowledge in that way.  Reaching second initiation of four you enter much deeper cosmic states being and are overcome by the mysterious nature of the Universe.  Your sense of self, and time is somewhat effaced by the stunning awe and cosmic majesty of the higher worlds (galaxies and greater stuctures of the cosmos) like Ramana Maharishi.

For Ahahats alive today I would recommend investigating M.P. Singh as Shiva Bala Yogi (who is said to be the reincarnation of Ramakrishna by some psychics) and also Maha Ananda Siddha.  They are the ones I personally feel have achieved completion.

-David

Gentle reminder, Dave, to cultivate the power of discernment

[Alexander]

Interesting prologue http://fruitofthecontemplativelife.org/forum/index.php/topic,676.0.html

An old thread made on here 9 years ago

Looks like some wrong IDs

However I did correctly ID Jeff as arahant, Michel as streamwinner, and Von Hugel as a Noble One. So not bad for the time

[Alexander]

*Added Jhanananda and John the Baptist
*Added two new margin notes