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The Rainbow Body
« on: July 16, 2023, 06:40:10 AM »
Recently I discovered some articles and posts online about a phenomenon called the rainbow body. I do not think I had heard about it before. But some serious people consider it to be sign of the highest attainment. Here are some chunks and pieces about it.


Material bodies dissolving into light is the subject of Rainbow Body and Resurrection by Father Francis V. Tiso, a priest of the Diocese of Isernia–Venafro who holds a PhD in Tibetan Buddhism. Exploring the body as a vehicle of spiritual transformation, this book presents Father Tiso’s research on postmortem accounts of the rainbow body of Khenpo A Chö (1918–98) in eastern Tibet, historical background on Dzogchen and early Christianity, and a comparative discussion of the rainbow body and the mystical body of Christ.

Father Tiso introduces his work by acknowledging that because research on postmortem paranormal phenomena cannot be conducted in a laboratory, there are inherent tensions that exist in conducting scientific investigations while relying on the good word of faithful informants. Seeking to take the approach of a participant observer in the tradition of anthropology, Tiso’s chapter on Khenpo A Chö is largely a series of journal logs from fieldwork in eastern Tibet and India and transcripts from interviews with local eyewitnesses.

Link: https://www.lionsroar.com/investigating-the-rainbow-body/


At the same time, continues Tiso, the research team plans to expend the scope of this research beyond the confines of the Tibetan culture, so they can compare the rainbow body phenomenon with the resurrection of Jesus Christ. To our knowledge, says Tiso, the bodies of most Christian saints did not disappear or shrink after their deaths.

"Highly realized saints in Catholic and Orthodox Christianity tend to move in the direction of incorruption, so that the body does not decay after death."

However, he adds, bodily ascensions are mentioned in the Bible and other traditional texts for Enoch, Mary, Elijah, and possibly Moses. And there are numerous stories of saints materializing after their death, similar to the widespread phenomenon known as the "light-body."

"In my church of Saints Cosmas and Damian in Italy, we have a large number of accounts, going back centuries, that indicate that these saints appeared in dreams and visions, rescued people from harm, and cured them of diseases. Even today, people still tell me they have these visions," says Tiso.

In 1984, when Tiso was meditating with his eyes open in a chapel in Italy, he, too, had an extraordinary vision. Jesus Christ, he says, appeared before him in the form of a violet light-body. At that time. Tiso was considering taking a teaching position in the United States, but in this vision Christ indicated he should stay in Italy. "It was important not to make a mistake at that point in my life," reflects Tiso. "I did stay in Italy, where I was eventually ordained, and I lived in a hermitage chapel for almost twelve years."

Tiso has also had several Tibetan teachers appear to him in dreams. When he gives public lectures he speaks frankly about these experiences, because he feels it is important for people to understand that they are more common than we think. "I think that as people mature in their spiritual practice, they begin to have visionary experiences."

Link: https://www.shambhala.com/snowlion_articles/christian-buddhist-explorations-rainbow-body/


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Re: The Rainbow Body
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2023, 03:56:29 PM »
Interesting 🤔

I always dismissed assumption as an idea 💡

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Re: The Rainbow Body
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2023, 05:24:47 AM »
Alexander, you might as well start working on your rainbow body LOL.

Are you familiar with sutric vs tantric practices? I recently discovered it. This is something that probably deserves a topic of its own...

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Re: The Rainbow Body
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2023, 09:00:54 AM »
Alexander, you might as well start working on your rainbow body LOL.

Are you familiar with sutric vs tantric practices? I recently discovered it. This is something that probably deserves a topic of its own...

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https://alexanderlorincz.com/

"I saw all things gathered in one volume by love - what, in the universe, seemed separate, scattered." (Canto 33)

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Re: The Rainbow Body
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2023, 03:24:05 PM »
It is my conclusion that the "rainbow body" of Tibetan Buddhism is none other than the OOBE.
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Re: The Rainbow Body
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2023, 07:47:09 AM »
Alexander,

From what I read online, the division between sutric and tantric practices comes from the Tibetan Buddhism. It has never been my focus, but just recently discovered some claims by people that tantric is more powerful than sutric. Personally, I am not sure. I think I follow what would qualify as sutric practice by their definition.


Here is what some Lama has to say:

Lama Shenpen responds:

The sutras that are the early discourses of the Buddha are accepted by all Buddhists as Buddha word.  Mahayana* sutras are only accepted by Mahayanists who regard them as revelations from the Buddha. Tantras are another kind of literature altogether and figure all sorts of strange stories that we would probably class as mythology but Tantric Buddhists regard them as revelations and to be emanating from the Buddha too.

The Buddha appears in various different forms in the tantras hence all the imagery of the deity mandalas.  Mostly the tantras themselves are not studied. Instead devotees of the tantras practice sadhanas based on the tantras and there are elaborate liturgies and techniques – yogic and/or magical – that can bring about swift and powerful results but need to be carefully handled or they lead to increasing samsaric tendencies rather than destroying them. That is why the tantras are said to be dangerous and are supposed to be kept secret.

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Re: The Rainbow Body
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2023, 07:49:02 AM »
It is my conclusion that the "rainbow body" of Tibetan Buddhism is none other than the OOBE.

Jhanananda, what do you think about the stories of bodies shrinking or completely disappearing after death?

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Re: The Rainbow Body
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2023, 07:20:43 PM »
It is my conclusion that the "rainbow body" of Tibetan Buddhism is none other than the OOBE.

Jhanananda, what do you think about the stories of bodies shrinking or completely disappearing after death?

I'm not interested in the fantastic stories that religions invent, especially when organized religion never appreciates its mystics.
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Re: The Rainbow Body
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2023, 03:49:00 AM »
Jhanananda,

I think the light body in Dzogcgen doctrine is the same  or related to the light that can be seen during meditation.

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Re: The Rainbow Body
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2023, 05:52:19 PM »
Jhanananda,

I think the light body in Dzogcgen doctrine is the same  or related to the light that can be seen during meditation.
While I agree with you; nonetheless, I also take it as an OOBE, which is called 'manomya' in the Pali Canon; otherwise we would have to consider Tibetan Buddhism developed something Siddhartha Gautama didn't and that is highly unlikely since their discourse doesn't come close to what is in the Pali Canon.
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Re: The Rainbow Body
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2023, 12:24:38 PM »
Tad; Bro, OOBE experiences are classic in 1st initiation.   1st initiation is a profound achievement, but anyone can do it!  Jeff achieved 1st initiation earlier this life after going into 8th Jhana!  In 2nd initiation one mostly skips OOBE of humanoid form and is overwhelmed by cosmic majesty and peace effacing the ego and experiencing of the galactic majesty traveling to many galaxies.  This level exorcises alot of egoism as I understand it.  As we discussed any empathic person can feel intense peace radiating out from the individual at this level.  At each initiation you tend to feel you are a 'Buddha' but is it true?  Is this life a dream and a bliss to you?  That is really the only question in my opinion.

As far as shrinking, dematerializing, transfiguration, etc... this all happens in my opinion and as I understand in 3rd initiation.  Beyond the scope of us 'mortals'.  Also in 3rd initiation the total dissolution of PTSD to prepare for Buddhahood.

   My personal views, no insult to any person intended! -David

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Re: The Rainbow Body
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2023, 02:01:27 AM »
David,

Interesting perspective. What practice would you say has been most instrumental for your progress to initiations?

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Re: The Rainbow Body
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2024, 09:17:09 AM »
For me the best booster was Ormus (from a reliable source), but I would also recommend tea and breathwork.
-David