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Jhanananda

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Psychedelics
« on: February 03, 2024, 12:59:20 PM »
From time to time the subject of psychedelics arises here so I thought I would finally give it a home, but I was not sure were to put it. So, while I do not want to give it its own subsection; nonetheless, we need to put it somewhere, so why not under 'Samadhi' where it will be understood as chemically induced altered states of consciousness and how this subject relates to our focus here, which is following the Noble Eightfold Path and practicing meditation correctly leads to altered states of consciousness and how those states relate to chemically induced states of consciousness.

My journey to the Noble Eightfold Path and the daily practice of meditation, which led me to the states of consciousness that are associated with samadhi, took me through some abuse of drugs and alcohol having grown up in a western dysfunctional family system which exhibited a fair amount of abuse of alcohol and child abuse. My parents were working alcoholics, which means they responsibly went off to work and drank heavily after they got home from work on a daily basis. So, based upon observed behavior of my role models I began drinking heavily Friday and Saturday nights in junior high school. I believe it was by my sophomore year that I was introduced to marijuana. I found marijuana a far better drug than alcohol because alcohol made me sick; whereas, marijuana did not. By my junior year in high school I began to experiment with psychedelics, which was mostly done with a type of LSD known then as "windowpane."

My experiences on LSD were profound and always intensely blissful. I started out taking LSD on the streets of the small town I lived in in Southern New Jersey, Haddonfield. It was a safe town to wonder the streets on Friday and Saturday nights, and this is how drinking alcohol that had been taken from one of our parent's liquor cabinet led to smoking marijuana and smoking cigarettes while walking down the street to smoking marijuana to putting a tiny pill in our mouths and walking down the street until the street started to wobble and the limbs of trees became the friendly and loving embrace of nature, to paisley-like brightly colored patterns of light to profound altered states of consciousness and Out-of-Body experiences. I was so moved by the intense feelings of bliss that I was experiencing under LSD and finding no love or affection at home that LSD became a weekend occupation for me. By my 21st birthday I had moved from taking small doses of LSD, 1/4 tab, to taking mega-doses of 12 tabs of windowpane. That was my last trip. It was so profound, and I had already been practicing meditation daily and experiencing the states of samadhi, that I gave up taking drugs altogether and took up a radical healthy contemplative lifestyle. This is how I became a dedicated contemplative.
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Re: Psychedelics
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2024, 03:36:55 PM »
I believe it was by my sophomore year that I was introduced to marijuana. I found marijuana a far better drug than alcohol because alcohol made me sick; whereas, marijuana did not. By my junior year in high school I began to experiment with psychedelics, which was mostly done with a type of LSD known then as "windowpane."

My first toke of marijuana also happened during Sophomore year of high school, when I was 15 - at an Aerosmith concert with AC/DC opening, I'll never forget.  Back then at concerts, several joints would be passed from seat to seat throughout the show, and I almost didn't think about it - I just pulled it into my lungs.  For 18 years after that, I "waked and baked" every day - right up until the signs of absorption started happening at the age of 33.  I took a four-month break from marijuana at that point, just to make sure the kundalini wasn't a product of the high - and then the four months became permanent.

I also did a good amount of LSD (acid) during high school and maybe a couple years afterwards.  We could get windowpane, and also various microdots and blotter.  I got to take some Owlsley blotter that had been kept in the freezer for almost 15 years - I'd say that that was the pinnacle of my LSD experiences.  There's something about the willingness to have our consciousness splintered into a million shards that sets the stage for meditative attainment later on - as though we're being trained to surrender and let go to something that is infinitely more profound and powerful than our limited ego consciousness.  That said, my drug (and alcohol) experiences were not carried out in a spirit of mindfulness or self-awareness - it was all about escaping boredom, trauma and personal responsibility.  It was also a silent, unconscious cry for direct experience of the Divine.

I'm so happy to have ended up with the practice I learned here.  Had I been able to conceive of it (or if it had even been an option), this is what I'd have been drawn to back in the late 70's.
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Re: Psychedelics
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2024, 11:41:35 AM »
My first toke of marijuana also happened during Sophomore year of high school, when I was 15 - at an Aerosmith concert with AC/DC opening, I'll never forget.  Back then at concerts, several joints would be passed from seat to seat throughout the show, and I almost didn't think about it - I just pulled it into my lungs.  For 18 years after that, I "waked and baked" every day - right up until the signs of absorption started happening at the age of 33.  I took a four-month break from marijuana at that point, just to make sure the kundalini wasn't a product of the high - and then the four months became permanent.

I also did a good amount of LSD (acid) during high school and maybe a couple years afterwards.  We could get windowpane, and also various microdots and blotter.  I got to take some Owlsley blotter that had been kept in the freezer for almost 15 years - I'd say that that was the pinnacle of my LSD experiences.  There's something about the willingness to have our consciousness splintered into a million shards that sets the stage for meditative attainment later on - as though we're being trained to surrender and let go to something that is infinitely more profound and powerful than our limited ego consciousness.  That said, my drug (and alcohol) experiences were not carried out in a spirit of mindfulness or self-awareness - it was all about escaping boredom, trauma and personal responsibility.  It was also a silent, unconscious cry for direct experience of the Divine.

It sounds like we had interesting parallel experiences with drugs.  It was US American culture in transformation for both of us. Bongs and hybrid marijuana was my experience in Tucson when I began to become interested in meditation, and I had met a guy who went by the name of Buffalo who had been a drug dealer, and had gone though a spiritual awakening and become born-again, who was then inspired by Castaneda, and so was I, so we journeyed parallel for about a year. His method of meditation was taking a bong hit off of Tai-stick just before meditating. We did that throughout the day. And, yes, meditation with a hit of potent marijuana was instantly better, deeper, then one without the other. He also introduced me to mega-doses of LSD. That went on for about 6 months, in between time we were reading books, such as Castaneda and the Autobiography of a Yogi, and translations of the Essene Scrolls, and me developing lucid dreaming, which led to my first OOBEs, all in between hits of Tucson's most potent pot. Then after 6 months I took 12 hits of windowpane and had a profound out-of-body experience, then came back from that trip not ever wanting to take another drug again for the rest of my life. I didn't even take aspirin for a headache.

I'm so happy to have ended up with the practice I learned here.  Had I been able to conceive of it (or if it had even been an option), this is what I'd have been drawn to back in the late 70's.

Thank you, yes, I agree the entire generational journey through mind altering drugs was a journey to mysticism, but few made was far as you and I, and the others on this forum.
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2024, 10:25:53 PM »
Interesting guys, my psychedelic history is pretty mundane compared to all of you.  Primarily alcohol although a Buddhist friend of mine got me slightly into Ketamine in my 20s.  I generally did microdoses.  I experimented with small doses of cough syrup (DXM) in my 20s.  I haven't given psychedelic substances much thought since my 20s but now that marijuana is recreationally legal I'm experimenting with it.   I was a teetotaler for several years when my health was not good in my early 30s.

  In my 20s I often used large amounts of alcohol to help my meditation, if I metered it out and didn't drink heavily it helped me sustain meditation for long hours.  Friday night I took what I suppose is a 'mega dose' of THC.  5 gummies.  I had a strong psychedelic experience and my deity visited me in my dreams for a large portion of the night but I have gotten a multi-day hangover from it, so in the future I will monitor my dose better.  I don't think I found it as protective as alcohol as I was still jolted awake several times in the night by brain zaps but besides brief wakeups I slept through the night.  Overall for me if I am more conservative about my dose I could see it being a useful supplement to support my spiritual life.
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Re: Psychedelics
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2024, 05:25:40 AM »
Hi David,

I personally prefer the conservative path without any use of intoxicating substances unless it is needed for medical reasons. The issue with large doses of alcohol or chemicals, they mess with the internal energy and feed cravings. I believe in sticking to 4 noble truths. Just my 2 cents.

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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2024, 07:01:22 AM »
Yeah that makes sense, I can certainly see the benefits of teetotalism.  For me it is medicinal primarily right now but I am working on cutting down.  Tonight I'm drinking a pot of peppermint tea and a can of 'Elderberry Maqui Berry Sparkling Soda'.
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Re: Psychedelics
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2024, 10:38:39 AM »
Hi David,

I personally prefer the conservative path without any use of intoxicating substances unless it is needed for medical reasons. The issue with large doses of alcohol or chemicals, they mess with the internal energy and feed cravings. I believe in sticking to 4 noble truths. Just my 2 cents.

Thank you, Tad. I have been reluctant to discuss the use of any drugs here, because sobriety has been so central to my interior life.
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