Kundalini Troubleshooting

[Jhanon]

As most of you know, I have been starved for kundalini blasts. Jhananda tried to show me many times why. I feel very strongly that, having lucidly established kundalini today, what my personal issue was--as conflicted that sentence seems to me, now.

Desires. There can be charisms, and OOBE's, but there is no Divinity, there is no God, no kundalini, no fuel, no inspiration, no insight, if all desires haven't been evacuated. I have confirmed this in St. John's writings, reflection on past experience, and just now. Unfortunately, it is a subtle game of cat and mouse to know how to identify and evacuate desires. This is why, I think, Jhananda told me to "live the lifestyle" or the similar phrases he often repeats. Also, it makes more sense to me, intellectually, to say this specifically about desires.

I am mentioning this because it has been a significant pain point for me. The main issue in my life is self-indulgence of things like food or drugs. It simply cannot be there. One must direct their heart and mind to the Divine. Otherwise there will be no fullness to the experience, and therefor, personally, no point other than to move closer to God, Kundalini, or whatever your fancied term.

I wish to say that desires can be evacuated relatively quickly. I mean a few hours. But, if one is dulled by them, they will have to put work into detecting desires, and also the initially subtle kundalini force. It is ideal to just live the lifestyle. If you are having trouble with this, if you have established absorption but don't get the "main ingredient" (kundalini), then it is suggested for one to take a sabbatical. Spend an entire day just on the path. This doesn't necessarily mean only meditating. It can be conversation (real time), but it has to be directed toward that "special something" that we all Love so dearly.

Desires are a slippery slope. If you indulge one thought of eating ice cream, you will be at a severe disadvantage. So, one should be aware that it really is "all or nothing" I'm afraid.

If this does not sound accurate, you may remove or relocate this. But I personally cannot see how it isn't.

[Jhanananda]

It is interesting to watch you go through the transformational process that is required of becoming a mystic.  Your reflections seem like wise advice, and I hope you take.  I believe you will succeed, and I look forward to you succeeding. 

[Jhanon]

It is interesting to watch you go through the transformational process that is required of becoming a mystic.  Your reflections seem like wise advice, and I hope you take.  I believe you will succeed, and I look forward to you succeeding.

I think this is part of my role here. To de-mystify the entire process by cataloging it. Also, it keeps me humble, because I share my struggles. Unfortunately, it can also lead to self-indulgences like intellectualizing, as you just saw.

[Jhanon]

I am interested in taking a short poll. Kundalini/Energy/Spinal Blasts are, for me, ecstasy. Everything else is just "nice." And I wonder if I'm the only one like this. So...

What Faculty/charism/non-physical phenomena has provided you with the greatest feeling of relief---relief, of course, being ecstasy. It it a certain samadhi? a certain plane or realm? Is it the tactile charism of the 3rd jhana? Maybe it's when the auditory charism comes in voices?

Let me know. I have a practical reason for asking.

[Jhanananda]

To me, all 8 stages of the religious experience are bliss, or ecstasy (if you want to be precise). And, the deeper I go into the ecstasies the more fulfilling, the more relief from dhukkha, and the more bliss that I experience.  So, I would say the 8th samadhi represents the most relief from dhukkha that I experienced.

[Cal]

One of the thins that keep coming to mind is "ebb and flow", waves. I'll get to this in a moment. I think one as a meditator should always be self-aware. You must realize and define suffering, as it occurs. It becomes easy to pass over some of the lesser sufferings in life. Therefor the subtler charisms have less effect, and we seek annihilation in the form of Kundalini. I, for one, would love to be saturated in Kundalini every waking moment, but I'm not, and I accept this.

The other day I had a 2.5 hour meditation sit. After about an hour I was to the 4th Jhana. What I noticed was experiences would come, some milder forms of kundalini, visuals, etc, and then they would die down, reset, things were silent, still abosorbed. Then they would start up again, another show would form, another experience. I chose to take the experience as a whole and relate it much like the "ebb and flow" of the ocean, High tide, low tide, etc. I think we just show up, and let whats gonna happen, happen.

Yet, I think if we are self aware enough, we recognize all suffering, we develop more of an appreciation for the subtler charisms in the first and second Jhanas. We eliminate perception, and allow acceptance. It's something I strive for, but I dont like being so honest with myself all of the time, its rather painful, almost grim.

[Jhanananda]

Hello, Cal, self-awareness 24-7 might be a bit painful, to grim at times, but I have found if I learn from that self-awareness, then most of the time it is just stillness, which I find blissful.

On the ebb and flow of the religious experience, yes, I too found it ebbs and flows.  In fact I used to just end my meditation sits when they ebbed.  But, then I tried just sitting a little longer, and found that my deepest religious experience often came after the ebb.