Author Topic: Lessons in Samadhi by Ajaan Lee Dhammadaro  (Read 4769 times)

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Lessons in Samadhi by Ajaan Lee Dhammadaro
« on: February 04, 2015, 03:29:11 AM »
During last Sunday's discussion, I mentioned one of the rare books which I found to have been written from direct experience of samadhi. This was when I was still searching and trying to gain a foothold. I have not had time to review it in the last year or so, which means I am saying this from a perspective more than a year old--which is decades for an aspirant on this forum. My point being that I may have a different perception of it now. Soon I'll find time to read it again.

From what I can recall, there was less loss in translation than most books these days. It is perhaps one of the most accurate and practical guidebooks in samadhi that I've ever found. So, it's about a 5 out of 10.

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http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/breathmind.pdf
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Re: Lessons in Samadhi by Ajaan Lee Dhammadaro
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2015, 07:37:07 AM »
This is quite interesting. I just tried the first method in the book just to test it out and having already a pretty sustained concentration I slipped into first jhana very quickly. I wonder how it works.

He related the breath to the nose and went back and forth to the forehead, then to the crown, and lastly to the middle of the brain. At this point my inner vision became extremely bright, as if someone turned on the lights. I like how he compares the inhalation to the "stress of birth" and exhalation to "stress of passing away".

I think a better explanation would be how a mental object surfaces in order to draw in the breath or expel it. And in between, there is a very still mind where there is no breath-related thought. I'm not sure, I don't have that much insight into this whole thing yet so I can't say.

Then he allows this "nimitta" or visual kasina to expand to the size of the head, bringing it down to the heart area. Then from here, the breath suffuses the whole body. It's a pretty fast entry technique in my opinion.

It's very similar to what happens when I do body tingling meditation until the whole body tingles. But I find that with this, the tingles are not as intense, so probably this is not in the hypersensitive phase of the second jhana. I find that the inner whistling turned into a water stream.

Would love to know a more perfect description of samadhi though haha.

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Re: Lessons in Samadhi by Ajaan Lee Dhammadaro
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2015, 12:17:38 PM »
This is quite interesting. I just tried the first method in the book just to test it out and having already a pretty sustained concentration I slipped into first jhana very quickly. I wonder how it works.

He related the breath to the nose and went back and forth to the forehead, then to the crown, and lastly to the middle of the brain. At this point my inner vision became extremely bright, as if someone turned on the lights. I like how he compares the inhalation to the "stress of birth" and exhalation to "stress of passing away".
Early in my contemplative life I spent about a year meditating upon the chakras.  I found it useful once I left the lower 3 behind.  So, I can see that Ajaan Lee Dhammadaro's "method incorporates the breath meditation into upper 2 chakra meditation.
I think a better explanation would be how a mental object surfaces in order to draw in the breath or expel it. And in between, there is a very still mind where there is no breath-related thought. I'm not sure, I don't have that much insight into this whole thing yet so I can't say.
When you can still the mind, then there is no need for a mental object to surface in order to draw in the breath.  The breath just goes on by itself.
Then he allows this "nimitta" or visual kasina to expand to the size of the head, bringing it down to the heart area. Then from here, the breath suffuses the whole body. It's a pretty fast entry technique in my opinion.
While I can see that as a technique it could work for some, but for my taste it is much too cognitive.  I prefer to get people to just still the mind, dump the cognitive activities, and allow the meditation experience to unfold on its own from there.
It's very similar to what happens when I do body tingling meditation until the whole body tingles. But I find that with this, the tingles are not as intense, so probably this is not in the hypersensitive phase of the second jhana. I find that the inner whistling turned into a water stream.
Probably because the method is just too cognitive for you as well.
Would love to know a more perfect description of samadhi though haha.
I have done my best to describe samadhi within the experience of it, while referring to various canonical references.  You can find those articles here: An Experiential Look at the Phenomena of Meditative Absorption
Recognizing Absorption
Absorption States (Jhanas) Within A Theistic Context
Absorption States (Jhanas) Within A Non-dualist Context
A Proposed Unified Theory for the Experience of Gnosis
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