Author Topic: Challenges of Enlightenment and the Householder Life  (Read 10197 times)

Valdy

  • vetted member
  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 43
Challenges of Enlightenment and the Householder Life
« on: August 03, 2014, 06:01:06 PM »
Fascinating. I am watching your progress. If Michel or someone were to sleep in a faraday cage, and his unwanted mental conditions significantly improved, I would most likely find a way to make this work.

Also, I am confused as to why Valdy is trying to stop charismatic phenomena?

Valdy here-- I have too much energy, in the day I am OK but when I go to bed I get a loud noise, too much energy and can't sleep.

When I meditate I try not to meditate on the charisms because if I do I will not sleep that night. On the other hand when I do meditate on the charisms they go up in pitch and sound very beautiful. I can easily tune into my family members and hear them.

I presume at this point a meditator would withdraw from the world and meditate in a cave but I am not able to do that. I am still trying to figure out how to solve this, I have been trying to stay on the sidelines hoping the energy will average itself out or should I just jump headfirst into it.

OOB I have meet dead people with the same problem, they were very proud of their condition and made exaggerated claims.

Years ago I had read a weird book, can't remember the author, Jeff knows his name, the author messed me up saying that if you raise your kundalini too much you will burn up and there is no way to stop it.

So I meditate until I can become a little more quiet and then quit in the hope I can get through this somehow.

Bless Valdy

Valdy

  • vetted member
  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 43
Re: Challenges of Enlightenment and the Householder Life
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2014, 06:43:54 PM »
Fascinating. I am watching your progress. If Michel or someone were to sleep in a faraday cage, and his unwanted mental conditions significantly improved, I would most likely find a way to make this work.
This is my working hypothesis that a grounded Faraday cage can help a lot of people, but I am still sorting through the variables. 

I have been wearing conductive clothing with grounding for about 2 months now, but it does not seem to work significantly, nor does just grounding.  On the other hand, I had been noticing for months before this that static electrical discharges from my body to any metallic object was a daily occurrence. So, I am leaning toward the problem not being electrical, but magnetic in nature; so I will be looking next into magnetic conductors and mu shields.

I have been sleeping outside in the camper, it is aluminum and grounded and probably works as a faraday cage and I sleep better there.

I don't think a faraday cage will block electromagnetism or VLF (very low frequency) radio waves. Microwaves have a skin depth of a sheet of aluminum foil but VLF has a skin depth of 200 meters.

I moved all the wires in the house in the basement from one side of the house to the other so that I could get out of the electromagnetic field and that night I had a huge energy flip in bed, it felt as if my energy had flipped from one side of my body to the other, I thought that I could not live like that but after a few days it evened out and I was back to normal but certainly think that our bodies are affected by electromagnetism.

A few years ago I talked to a dowser, it was his idea that dowsing energy lines and placing rocks could create a safe energy field to live in. That did not really make sense to me and I didn't try it.

A few years ago I was OOB in the solar wind, I presume that it is traveling at the speed of light, it was a horrendous experience and I feel that the charisms that I feel in body are probably also running at the same speed. I have noticed that I am affected by the solar wind.

I use  the OHM sound that Buddhists use in order to tune myself up.

Bless Valdy

Jhanananda

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4629
    • Great Wesern Vehicle
Re: Challenges of Enlightenment and the Householder Life
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2014, 01:42:10 PM »
That sounds promising, as you may recall I had a helmet that use magnetism or electromagnetism to induce pain relief and "mystical" experiences. You had to keep track of the earth, moon and sun to get optimal effects. The theory born of it is that all humans are connected by the earth's magnetic field, further suggesting remote viewing and "knowings" (like when someone you are close with is in danger, yet they are on the other side of the planet), and similar phenomena occur through the field. And that would suggest magnetic shielding could in essence provide one with isolation or desensitization. I explain it poorly, but they have done many experiments. I forget the details, but I watched their experiments with individuals who could remote view (on their own), and it seemed conclusive.
I know that there is an electromagnetic hypothesis to explain many spiritual phenomena, such as the OOBE, aura, etc.  However, if our spirit/soul was indeed electromagnetic, then when traveling out of body we would be subject to the laws of physics.  For instance it would take time to travel to the moon, sun, stars, etc; however, it does not take time to travel out of body.  We also could not remote view on abject that was encased in lead, nor could we observe something in the past or the future.  Another implication of the electromagnetic hypothesis of spiritual phenomena is we could encase someone in a lead container, and when they died they would not be able to leave the lead case, which is surely not true.
I have been sleeping outside in the camper, it is aluminum and grounded and probably works as a faraday cage and I sleep better there.
If you find you sleep better in your grounded aluminum camper, then it is most probably working as a Faraday cage.  I am developing an hypothesis that steel or iron makes a better Faraday cage for health purposes because steel and iron are magnetically responsive; whereas aluminum is not. 
I don't think a faraday cage will block electromagnetism or VLF (very low frequency) radio waves. Microwaves have a skin depth of a sheet of aluminum foil but VLF has a skin depth of 200 meters.
There might be a number of factors at work making the Faraday cage useful for health, not just one.  The whole purpose of a Faraday cage is that it indeed blocks electromagnetism; however, the primitive Faraday cages we are experimenting with do not block all wave-lengths.  Since my van has windows, then we know it is not effective at blocking short wave-length EMF, but it should be fairly effective at long wave lengths.  However, I had not considered skin depth penetration.

The most powerful EMF that effects us all, and far more powerful than the VLF array, is the sun.  Its skin penetration depth has induced significant electrical charges in buried steel pipe lines during CME.

I moved all the wires in the house in the basement from one side of the house to the other so that I could get out of the electromagnetic field and that night I had a huge energy flip in bed, it felt as if my energy had flipped from one side of my body to the other, I thought that I could not live like that but after a few days it evened out and I was back to normal but certainly think that our bodies are affected by electromagnetism.
That is interesting, so you must be sensitive to 60hz.  I have worked around 60hz fields most of my life and have found no effect from it.

You could shield your cables in the basement, or lay down steel, or steel mesh on the floor above to shield it.
A few years ago I talked to a dowser, it was his idea that dowsing energy lines and placing rocks could create a safe energy field to live in. That did not really make sense to me and I didn't try it.
There are lots of lame hypotheses driving the New Age community.  Some of it works, but some of it does not.  We just have to sort through it.
A few years ago I was OOB in the solar wind, I presume that it is traveling at the speed of light, it was a horrendous experience and I feel that the charisms that I feel in body are probably also running at the same speed. I have noticed that I am affected by the solar wind.

I use  the OHM sound that Buddhists use in order to tune myself up.

Bless Valdy
Flying OOB in the solar wind sounds interesting.  I have flown through space, but had no effect from the solar wind, but then I was not investigating it either.  I really do not accept that the charisms that we are experiencing are electromagnetic in nature, or otherwise all any one would have to do is take an electromagnetic bath everyday to be enlightened.
Valdy here-- I have too much energy, in the day I am OK but when I go to bed I get a loud noise, too much energy and can't sleep.  When I meditate I try not to meditate on the charisms because if I do I will not sleep that night.
This is definitely a problem for a householder, that a mystic resolves by giving into the charisms, but then the householder life would have to go to become a mystic.
On the other hand when I do meditate on the charisms they go up in pitch and sound very beautiful. I can easily tune into my family members and hear them.

I presume at this point a meditator would withdraw from the world and meditate in a cave but I am not able to do that. I am still trying to figure out how to solve this, I have been trying to stay on the sidelines hoping the energy will average itself out or should I just jump headfirst into it.
That is the conflict.  I see no where to go but surrender to the charisms, which requires giving up everything.
OOB I have meet dead people with the same problem, they were very proud of their condition and made exaggerated claims.

Years ago I had read a weird book, can't remember the author, Jeff knows his name, the author messed me up saying that if you raise your kundalini too much you will burn up and there is no way to stop it.

So I meditate until I can become a little more quiet and then quit in the hope I can get through this somehow.

Bless Valdy
That would be books of various titles on kundalini by Gopi Krishna.  He clearly did not figure anything out, but he made money selling books.
There is no progress without discipline.

If you want to post to this forum, then send me a PM.

Jhanon

  • vetted member
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 915
Re: Challenges of Enlightenment and the Householder Life
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2014, 08:56:30 PM »
Fascinating. I am watching your progress. If Michel or someone were to sleep in a faraday cage, and his unwanted mental conditions significantly improved, I would most likely find a way to make this work.

Also, I am confused as to why Valdy is trying to stop charismatic phenomena?

Valdy here-- I have too much energy, in the day I am OK but when I go to bed I get a loud noise, too much energy and can't sleep.

When I meditate I try not to meditate on the charisms because if I do I will not sleep that night. On the other hand when I do meditate on the charisms they go up in pitch and sound very beautiful. I can easily tune into my family members and hear them.

I presume at this point a meditator would withdraw from the world and meditate in a cave but I am not able to do that. I am still trying to figure out how to solve this, I have been trying to stay on the sidelines hoping the energy will average itself out or should I just jump headfirst into it.

OOB I have meet dead people with the same problem, they were very proud of their condition and made exaggerated claims.

Years ago I had read a weird book, can't remember the author, Jeff knows his name, the author messed me up saying that if you raise your kundalini too much you will burn up and there is no way to stop it.

So I meditate until I can become a little more quiet and then quit in the hope I can get through this somehow.

Bless Valdy

Wow. Valdy, thank you for your perfectly timed answer. Last night, I guided someone into the charisms. It was awesome how it happened. I wrote a philosophical post on Facebook, and then he started exhibiting signs of strong critical thinking and broad-mindedness that perked my ears, so to speak. I guide him to feel the charisms for the first time, and he starts getting blasted by energy up and down the spine. And this was done over the phone or in text! It was exhilarating, because I could feel it happening to him.

I had something to do the next day, so after giving him the best core guidance I could, I laid down. I began experiencing extremely strong absorption, and I was just trying to sleep. It got really strong, and I knew I couldn't miss the appointment tomorrow. I hated doing this, but I took a couple shots of alcohol. Then I texted him and explained that I knew his "awakening" was genuine, because I was getting blasted for a reason I couldn't otherwise figure out. I explained how shakti-pat or whatever that phenomena is where enlightened individuals cause "awakenings", and he told me he had just absorbed deeper when I messaged him. The considerate fellow was like "I'll turn it down. Sorry."

But, now that I see your situation, I've become concerned. Most likely, I have 18 years of householder life left. And Jhananda and I believe I am between Once-Returner and Non-Returner. And to be honest, it hasn't been that much effort--at least not as much as I intend to put in. Does consistent aggressive energy rushes happen at a certain stage or something? How can I plan for this?

Also, Valdy, my heart goes out to you, friend. I hope, I dunno; I just hope well for you.

(We may to need to put this under a new thread, like "The Challenges of Enlightenment and the Householder Life")
« Last Edit: August 04, 2014, 09:00:50 PM by Jhanon »

Jhanananda

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4629
    • Great Wesern Vehicle
Re: Challenges of Enlightenment and the Householder Life
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2014, 12:04:43 AM »
Sorry for splitting this topic off, then moving it twice, but I think that this is a good home for the discussion, and topic suggested by Jhanon
There is no progress without discipline.

If you want to post to this forum, then send me a PM.

Jhanon

  • vetted member
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 915
Re: Challenges of Enlightenment and the Householder Life
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2014, 06:16:00 AM »
Ah, very good. Thank you kindly, friend. I hope you are getting the reprieve you need.

Alexander

  • (Shivaswara)
  • vetted member
  • Hero Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1123
Re: Challenges of Enlightenment and the Householder Life
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2014, 09:42:08 PM »
I have been inspired very much about this by Lord Shiva, the Hindu deity. In the stories about him he lives contradictory lives. On the one hand he is a yogi, celibate, and austere. He is the God of Yogis. On the other, Shiva is the image of the householder life and manhood. He lives with his wife Parvati and two sons.

Many of the models we have of holiness embrace only the first. Jesus lived in solitude, and was celibate. The same can be said about the Buddha; and, in modern times, Ramana Maharshi. What example do we have of a spiritual master who lived in the world? But, this is the unique challenge to America, and the current age.
https://alexanderlorincz.com/

"I saw all things gathered in one volume by love - what, in the universe, seemed separate, scattered." (Canto 33)

Cal

  • vetted member
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 427
Re: Challenges of Enlightenment and the Householder Life
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2014, 06:26:03 AM »
I have been inspired very much about this by Lord Shiva, the Hindu deity. In the stories about him he lives contradictory lives. On the one hand he is a yogi, celibate, and austere. He is the God of Yogis. On the other, Shiva is the image of the householder life and manhood. He lives with his wife Parvati and two sons.

Many of the models we have of holiness embrace only the first. Jesus lived in solitude, and was celibate. The same can be said about the Buddha; and, in modern times, Ramana Maharshi. What example do we have of a spiritual master who lived in the world? But, this is the unique challenge to America, and the current age.

I do not believe it possible, Alexander. From my own experiences, once I had made progress spiritually, I became less involved as the householder. I tried many things, and have yet to find a common ground. Well, now there is a catch in this though. Your book of Shiva. It spoke of what was needed of a man. Perhaps being of perfect temperment and constitution would allow for this. Yet, I could not aspire to this greatness, it is only a man to be read of in books. I do not see it possible for all. This is probably why it says in the discourses that only a Buddha should have children. It would take an enormous amount of sheer resolve and perfect action to be this man. My only belief is that the householder must suffer until less encomberred, because there is just too much to be asked of a Mystic, Father, Husband, and Employee. They do not jive well.

I will say, that with equanimity, everything slowed down. Everything was "processed" in my mind and this would be the key to being this man. Yet it would take more, because without the identity, I was not welcome in the world of men. I do not believe I am capable of what would be needed for both. I believe that one will guard oneself with Identity, or one will not allow suffering with equanimity, I dont see a middle ground.