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Jhanon

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Mystic Heaven on Earth?
« on: November 08, 2014, 12:15:56 AM »
"The Island at the End of the World"

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25430383

"You know I love this place, all the people fighting wars should just come to Palmerston and go for a swim, play some volleyball," says Bob. "No need for all that fighting and killing everybody, no-one fighting here."

What a magical place. I find myself with strong inclination to get there and live out my days meditating and writing.
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2014, 12:40:23 AM »
Thanks, Jhanon. Great article. I think that might just be a good place for a mystic to live. I wonder how they would respond to a mystic. There must be other islands out there somewhere.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2014, 01:14:51 AM »
Hello, Michel and Jhanon.  Palmerston and the surrounding islands do sound almost ideal for an extended contemplative retreat.  When I lived in Trinidad and Tobago I found them also as inviting a retreat.  In such islands one can buy a boat, a net, and go out every day to fish, then bring back what one does not want to eat, to sell for what few things one needs to purchase, then sleep on the beach, or in the boat, until morning to set out to fish the daily catch.  It reminds me of the lifestyle of  Diogenes, one of my great inspirations.
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2014, 05:08:50 AM »
Hello, Michel and Jhanon.  Palmerston and the surrounding islands do sound almost ideal for an extended contemplative retreat.  When I lived in Trinidad and Tobago I found them also as inviting a retreat.  In such islands one can buy a boat, a net, and go out every day to fish, then bring back what one does not want to eat, to sell for what few things one needs to purchase, then sleep on the beach, or in the boat, until morning to set out to fish the daily catch.  It reminds me of the lifestyle of  Diogenes, one of my great inspirations.

A quick peak at information regarding him shows very easily how true your inspiration is :D

I really think these islands, the Cook Islands, could easily be the most simple and care-free possibility of a "monastery" for the sangha. It seems the biggest issue is getting there. I think this is worthy of further investigation as a viable mid-term solution.

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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2014, 05:26:14 PM »
Hello, Michel and Jhanon.  Palmerston and the surrounding islands do sound almost ideal for an extended contemplative retreat.  When I lived in Trinidad and Tobago I found them also as inviting a retreat.  In such islands one can buy a boat, a net, and go out every day to fish, then bring back what one does not want to eat, to sell for what few things one needs to purchase, then sleep on the beach, or in the boat, until morning to set out to fish the daily catch.  It reminds me of the lifestyle of  Diogenes, one of my great inspirations.
Why did you come back to the "Good Life" in the USA?

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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2014, 05:38:40 PM »
The most depressing part in the classic book "Robinson Crusoe," was when he decided to leave his island to come back to "civilization." If only he had a copy of the Pali Canon. Haha
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2014, 12:47:44 AM »
Why did you come back to the "Good Life" in the USA?
Well, I was a kid, and dragged back by my parents.  I have been trying to create a similar lifestyle here in the USA by farming the food banks, and dumpster diving my fuel.  So far it is working pretty well.  But, I still think of the boat on the beach of the tropical island as the ideal contemplative lifestyle.
The most depressing part in the classic book "Robinson Crusoe," was when he decided to leave his island to come back to "civilization." If only he had a copy of the Pali Canon. Haha
I agree.  I saw the movie "Caste Away" with Tom Hanks, and came away with the same feeling you had.
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2014, 07:31:16 AM »
I've always had the drive to live on a tropical island. Preferably mostly abandoned. It's funny how jhana brings everything into perspective.

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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2014, 02:52:17 PM »
At this point I find I am getting too old to struggle as much as I have to develop a more sustainable contemplative lifestyle that I had been leading.  So, I am heading back to Prescott, AZ, where I know that I can sustain myself quite well by farming the food banks, and dumpster diving my fuel. I also do not plan to drive more than 100 miles from there again, and plan to spend my last few days here.

After some research I believe that I might be able to retain all of the useful resources from this failed project and store them in a storage room, which I plan to use as a workshop to further the development of a mobile sustainable hermitage.

I do think, especially if I was younger, that living on a small boat, such as a dory, that is equipped with oar locks, oars, and a small sail; one could ply lagoons, and the coastal regions and live quite well foraging and fishing. However, one would have had to "put the burden down," and put to rest one's cravings, to live as an island unto oneself.  Such a lifestyle could be lived anywhere on earth .  In fact I believe it was this lifestyle along the coastal regions where we evolved.  Diogenes lived such a lifestyle.
Quote from:
Bhāra Sutta (SN 22.22): The Burden
translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu
At Savatthi. "Monks, I will teach you the burden, the carrier of the burden, the taking up of the burden, and the casting off of the burden. [1] Listen & pay close attention. I will speak."

"As you say, lord," the monks responded.

The Blessed One said, "And which is the burden? 'The five clinging-aggregates,' it should be said. Which five? Form as a clinging-aggregate, feeling as a clinging-aggregate, perception as a clinging-aggregate, fabrications as a clinging-aggregate, consciousness as a clinging-aggregate. This, monks, is called the burden.

"And which is the carrier of the burden? 'The person,' it should be said. This venerable one with such a name, such a clan-name. This is called the carrier of the burden.

"And which is the taking up of the burden? The craving that makes for further becoming — accompanied by passion & delight, relishing now here & now there — i.e., craving for sensual pleasure, craving for becoming, craving for non-becoming. This is called the taking up of the burden.

"And which is the casting off of the burden? The remainderless fading & cessation, renunciation, relinquishment, release, & letting go of that very craving. This is called the casting off of the burden."

That is what the Blessed One said. Having said that, the One Well-gone, the Teacher, said further:
A burden indeed are the five aggregates, and the carrier of the burden is the person. Taking up the burden in the world is stressful. Casting off the burden is bliss. Having cast off the heavy burden and not taking on another, pulling up craving, along with its root, one is free from hunger, totally unbound.
Quote from: Maha-Parinibbana Sutta (DN-16)
Maha-Parinibbana Sutta (DN-16)
33. "Therefore, ânanda, be an island unto yourself, refuge unto yourself, seeking no external refuge; with the Dhamma as your island, the Dhamma as your refuge, seeking no other refuge.
"And how, ânanda, is a bhikkhu an island unto himself, a refuge unto himself, seeking no external refuge; with the Dhamma as his island, the Dhamma as his refuge, seeking no other refuge?
34. "When he dwells contemplating the body in the body, earnestly, clearly comprehending, and mindfully, after having overcome desire and sorrow in regard to the world; when he dwells contemplating feelings in feelings, the mind in the mind, and mental objects in mental objects, earnestly, clearly comprehending, and mindfully, after having overcome desire and sorrow in regard to the world, then, truly, he is an island unto himself, a refuge unto himself, seeking no external refuge; having the Dhamma as his island, the Dhamma as his refuge, seeking no other refuge.
35. "Those bhikkhus of mine, ânanda, who now or after I am gone, abide as an island unto themselves, as a refuge unto themselves, seeking no other refuge; having the Dhamma as their island and refuge, seeking no other refuge: it is they who will become the highest, [20] if they have the desire to learn."
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