Fruit of the Contemplative Life

Fruit of the contemplative life: => OOBE => : stugandolf August 08, 2014, 01:46:31 PM

: Contra big bang
: stugandolf August 08, 2014, 01:46:31 PM
 I t seems to me the big bang theory is an attempt to explain the accelerating universe.  Recently Jeffrey noted his contra big bang , and I can not find his post within a post - so help me find his position...  Stu
: Re: Contra big bang
: Michel August 08, 2014, 02:28:24 PM
Hello Stu,

This is the only thing I could find on "the big bang theory." It's under the post "Enriching the Religious Experience."

He writes: "The immaterial domains (spiritual world) is infinite, with no beginning and no end, just as the physical universe is infinite, with no beginning and no end."

The Big Bang theory is just Abrahamic religion masquerading as science."


See here: http://fruitofthecontemplativelife.org/forum/index.php/topic,571.0/nowap.html

P.S. I used the GWV search engine, it is linked to the forum. The formum search engine came up with nothing, which is typical in some cases.

It's not much to go on, but I hope this helps.
: Re: Contra big bang
: rougeleader115 August 08, 2014, 03:18:38 PM
 There is also this from a recent discussion with Jhanon.

I'm sorry, I intend to respond to your ample and stimulating post, Jhananda. I have to record this before I forget, though. I am doing schoolwork, but I need to record this.

I was reading about Darwin, evolution, genetic mutations, and how the universe came into existence. And I thought, well, aren't universes beings? And didn't the Buddha say beings pass on according to their karma or something like that? But I wanted to get further. So I started having flashes of how planes and realms come to be.
I do not happen to subscribe to a belief in a beginning and/or an end for the physical universe.  When religion and science postulate a beginning and an end, it seems to me, that the mind simply cannot grasp beginninglessness.
: Re: Contra big bang
: stugandolf August 08, 2014, 03:56:19 PM
Thanks rougeleader115 and Michael - the term I wanted is "beginninglessness" and the link is great.  Even those of you who claim not to like poetry might want to read Jeffrey's "A Stone Worn to Sand'.  I have read it 2x's now, a  year apart - the first time mostly for feeling and overview and 2nd time - just finished it this morning.  The poetry is an account of his journey... Quite moving... Stu
: Re: Contra big bang
: Michel August 08, 2014, 04:12:00 PM
I read his book of poems last year, A Stone Worn to Sand, and this is one of my favorites:

La Corpa Dia
(My Body) for Rumi   

At my birth, time and space began.
When I choose to cease my existence, time and space will end.
Space is the extent of my body.
Time is the span of my life.     

I am everything, Space, Time, Light and Gravity.
Nothing has come into existence except through me.
There is nothing that is not me.   
I am all that is, and all that will ever be.   

Beyond the death of this body I alone exist.   

The cells of my body
are galactic clusters made up of sub-atomic solar systems.   
The expansion of galaxies is like the blossoming of flowers,
and supernova are like shooting stars.
To me, the Human life span is as brief as the sub-atomic particle’s. 

I am consciousness.
There is nothing in my body I am not conscious of.
My consciousness pervades even to the smallest particle.   

I am the silent ocean.
I am darkness waiting
endlessly to embrace you wholly. 

Bottomless and with no shore.
In me, you will have no foothold, and no place to grasp.
I will embrace you totally.   

If you struggle against me
you will only become exhausted.
I will hold you up,
and when you reach for the density of Earth
I will not hold you back.   

I am yielding.
When you come out of me
I will fall away, brooding your inevitable
return.   

I am the pull of emptiness.


We talked about his book of poems in a post and he wrote:

I am honored, Michel, that you would read my poetry.  Yes, La Corpa Dia, is one of my favorite poems.  The first half of the book is my dark night of the soul, so I can see how it might be difficult to read.  The poem is one of my attempts to described the 8th stage of the religious experience (Nevasannanasannnayatana).  The poem has numerous tropes in it that repeat throughout the book from beginning to end.  And the book, Stone Worn to Sand, is meant to be a poetic description of the path to liberation and enlightenment.

Stu, you have inspired me to read his book of poems again. So thank-you.