Fruit of the Contemplative Life

Fruit of the contemplative life: => Art of the Mystic => : Jhanon August 08, 2014, 07:48:26 PM

: Ecstatic Meditation (Accessing the Spiritual Ecstasies)
: Jhanon August 08, 2014, 07:48:26 PM
As a born and raised mediator (yes, mediator), I think it's my duty to mediate what we know to the western public in a way that makes it most accessible to as many minds as possible.

This is to be the place where I intend to collect and write the contents of a hopefully small and succinct booklet on instructing meditative absorption for westerners. The goal of the book is to be straight-to-the-point and as airtight as possible, thus leading a westerner who is ready to quickly discover and establish themselves in meditative absorption.

I wonder if it would be wise to keep this thread private to the GWV, if possible.

Oh my, oh my; that feeling you get when inspiration, vision, confidence, and commitment merge in your heart into the strong drive to create something noble. Every hair and cell suddenly stands at attention as if to say "Let's do this."

Oh, how I love thee.
: Re: "Authentic Meditative Absorption" (a booklet in process)
: Michel August 08, 2014, 08:31:24 PM
This is Ground Control to Major Tom. You have our permission to blast off.
: Re: "Authentic Meditative Absorption" (a booklet in process)
: Jhanon August 09, 2014, 06:01:26 AM
A Very Rough Initial Draft of Introduction, just to get inspiration rolling.

There seems to be so many books and other business related to meditation, mindfulness, and other practices generally considered to be of eastern spiritual descent. I've read piles and piles of books and other information about meditation and mindfulness. About 90 percent of what I read helped the practitioner produce superficial results, but less than 5 percent knew the depth of meditation, how to get there, what it is like, and made it clear for a Western audience to more easily understand through use of native terms like "absorption" and "non-physical sensation."

But of that less-than-5 percent, there wasn't a single book, whether popular or not. And so, this is that book. I have had the pleasure to meet some of the most wise and enlightened humans on the planet, who freely offered evidence and counsel. To them, and most importantly, the unofficial teacher, origin, guide of the group I owe the most gratitude to. This book is written for him, and the rest of the GWV. The reader will note I am a straight-forward writer, aiming to produce the greatest resulting benefit possible for you. I won't waste my time explaining why this popular notion is incorrect, or why something is true. I'm going to tell it like it is, and leave it up to your discernment. If you're reading this, you've probably already begun to discern and feel everything I've just said. And it seems you've put the causes in place to come across this book.

Meditation is a common word, and for westerners, it mean anything from thinking about something, to clearing the mind and developing qualities of mindfulness. But this is like the leaf of a great tree filled with abdunant fruit and treasured heartwood. As a leaf, it has some qualities of the tree. But it is by no means the tree. What we'll be treating here is meditative absorption not "meditation" as most westerners are familiar with. It goes by many names like jhana, samadhi, and ______. And within its realm consists every reasonably treated phenomena of the past, like "astral projection", knowing the thoughts of others, ecstasy, and clairvoyance to name a few of the more popular in western society.

What's important for you to know is that meditative absorption is so, so, so much more than this or popular notion of "meditation." It is, by far, the most skillful, satisfying, profound, and life-changing practice a human can endeavor in. You can argue against this, or you could put the following guide to the test. Once you experience the mind-blowing ecstasy, insight, fulfillment, and powers of meditative absorption, I would be shocked if anyone didn't change their tune. To put it bluntly; this is "it." And a good percentage of you will experience this before finishing the book.

Remember, it's just a rough draft. I see many opportunities for improvement, but this is how I roll. I let come organically, get everything down, organize and optimize, then rewrite the final draft. I don't do outlines. In the best words I can put it right now, I write until inspiration hits, and begins surging energy through the body and putting all hairs on end. That's when the real magic happens.
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: Michel August 09, 2014, 12:13:48 PM
It is, by far, the most skillful, satisfying, profound, and life-changing practice a human can endeavor in. You can argue against this, or you could put the following guide to the test. Once you experience the mind-blowing ecstasy, insight, fulfillment, and powers of meditative absorption, I would be shocked if anyone didn't change their tune. To put it bluntly; this is "it." And a good percentage of you will experience this before finishing the book.
Good intro. You've seduced your readers. You promise them the moon, hopefully the book will deliver the goods.
: Re: "Authentic Meditative Absorption" (a booklet in process)
: Jhanon August 09, 2014, 04:21:33 PM
I feel confident that it will. When I first had that crazy experience while reading Eckhart Tolle's book, I did some research and found I was by no means in a minority. There were many others who experienced the same quality of experience in the same way. Since then, about 80 percent of those who I've been fortunate enough to guide into discovering the charisms has had experiences during the guiding that they described as I just did. And it was almost always through text communication.
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: Michel August 09, 2014, 04:40:46 PM
If you're going to mention the GWV, then maybe you should define the mission of the GWV. Maybe you might consider putting it into your own words.

This is how I understand the mission of the GWV. Maybe you could write something like this:

The Great Western Vehicle is an evolving entity, not dead and restricted by rigid dogma. Its goal is to seek out gnosis wherever it is to be found by unpacking and examining all belief systems of any of the religious traditions and the teachings of all the known mystics and putting this gnosis into practice made available to everyone.

(I know I'm a dreadful writer. I feel sorry for anyone who has to read my posts.)

Jhananda puts it this way:

"If the mission of the Great Western Vehicle (Mahaparacakkayana) is to be a 4th wheel (Catutthayana), ecumenical, engaged, ecstatic western contemplative tradition that is equally informed by Eastern religions, such as Hinduism and Buddhism, and Western religions such as the Abrahamic religions; and it is dedicated to the cultivation, study and education of contemplative practices that produce gnosis; and our activities are to engage in support and education of individuals in contemplative practices that lead to gnosis; then we must express that mission."

See here: http://www.greatwesternvehicle.org/gwvmissions.htm
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: Michel August 09, 2014, 04:42:17 PM
I feel confident that it will. When I first had that crazy experience while reading Eckhart Tolle's book, I did some research and found I was by no means in a minority. There were many others who experienced the same quality of experience in the same way. Since then, about 80 percent of those who I've been fortunate enough to guide into discovering the charisms has had experiences during the guiding that they described as I just did. And it was almost always through text communication.
That's interesting.
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: Jhanon August 09, 2014, 06:02:22 PM
Yes, I think it is the only course of action to mention the GWV. I agree with including a mission statement, but it needs to be simplified. Jhananda's is very difficult for a non-genius to interpret. I think this is part of the reason that more seekers don't flood the GWV. Look at Eckhart's books. The Power of Now was painfully elucidating, at least of what attainment he could draw from. And yet I know people who consider themselves intelligent whom couldn't finish the book because it was "too much."

There needs to be an impeccable balance between precision, broadness, energy inspired simplicity. Like, the paraphrased treatise you wrote. THAT is what the introduction needs to have. Preferably, the whole book will have that divine energy behind it, as was so clearly in Eckhart's books.

So, I do not ye know how I will describe the GWV's mission without watering it down or leaving most people confused. I think the mission statement will be one of the last things to be incorporated into the booklet, which is not to imply it will necessary be at the conclusion of the book.
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: Jhanon August 09, 2014, 06:04:16 PM
With that said, I think your version is good. Words like "gnosis" will likely be replaced, as it is too obscure to the western mind.
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: Michel August 09, 2014, 07:30:58 PM
I agree with that. Gnosis = spiritual knowledge.

My favorite spiritual writer, as for clarity of expression, has got to be Eckhart Tolle. He's a genius. He writes in a simple straightforward language everyone can understand. They should teach his style in schools.

At the bottom of the list of the spiritual teachers who are opaque writers, I would have to put Thanissaro Bhikkhu who has you running all over the place, and Bhikkhu Bodhi for his complex sentence structure and heavy archaic vocabulary. J Krishnamurti takes forever to make his point, if he ever does. Ramana Maharshi is full of spiritual terminology that over complicates his writings.
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: Jhanon August 10, 2014, 05:37:21 PM
I agree with you, Michel. Thanissaro intellectualizes far too much. However, I did find his book on meditation to be helpful. But it required great discernment.

I have often been told I am a good teacher. I'm not great. That will hopefully come with time, and further saturation in the charisms.

But, I don't care about all that. I know if I can get this up for the GWV to assist me in editing, we can come up with a beautiful end product. Consider all the greatest books on mysticism of the past. Written usually by one individual channeling God/Energy/You-know-what-i'm-talking-about.

Alexander is a beautiful writer. I really enjoy his writings. He has a special gift. And you, Michel, when I read that paraphrase, A PARAPHRASE, of your inspired treatise, I was thoroughly impressed and so thankful. You gifted me a sublime experience of the divine.

Then there is Jhananda, which I feel is supremely gifted at beating the intellect into submission. LOL (I'm just being animated by saying "beating")

My point is that I am going to write this book. But when it is published, it will not be written by me. It will be written by the divine, channeled through all of us. That includes you, Michel. If you suddenly "go manic", please, please, come to this thread and let yourself freely express :)

Damn, I am feeling an amazing amount of love today. It feels so good. It drives me mad that I am not more adequate in helping others feel this way, too. If "psychic" healing is possible (which I know it is, because I've done it numerous times), then it must be possible for Shakti-Pat. In other words, it MUST be possible for me to touch someone or be in their presence and induce ecstatic communion with the divine. In fact, I think I did my first one with Cal--merely through words. I want him to offer his opinion on that.

But, I remember a moment in our discussion when I suddenly felt "different." I felt a special energy that said "Let go. Let me handle this. Give yourself entirely to the words which are about to come." And I did, and what do you know? It worked. THROUGH TEXT!
: Accessing the Ecstasies
: Jhanon September 04, 2014, 06:35:17 PM
Ecstatic Absorption: Accessing the Ecstasies

A straight-forward guide on how to ACTUALLY access the ecstatic and liberating states.

You can access the YouTube instructional video by clicking here (http://youtu.be/G3lt0YaFLw8)

Part 1: Why Isn't Meditation Blissful?
In most of the world, meditation is practiced and taught like it isn't self-arising. As if it is something you create, or just a stoic exercise. I read so many of these unhelpful books and teachings, I began to wonder if anyone experienced what I had so gratefully come upon. They all missed the point, or failed to explain well. Meditation leads to naturally, self-arising experiences of joy, bliss, and ecstasy. Just as the right conditions will produce fire, so too will ecstatic states of altered consciousness.

To distinguish the following from the meditation most of us know, we will call this "ecstatic absorption." It is jhana, samadhi, and so many other terms, but what it really is, is mostly beyond words. Please follow along with the instructions as you read, and take a moment to re-read anything you might not understand. This is the fastest, most succinct and reliable source of experiencing the spiritual ecstasies I've ever seen or been able to produce through text.

If you are already established in a meditative practice, you might skip down to the next section entitled "Part 3: Accessing the Ecstasies."

Part 2: Pre-Requisite to Ecstatic Absorption
The pre-requisite skill needed to enter these profound states of altered consciousness is very simple. One needs to "take a step back" from the mind, and become the "witness" to all the mind's phenomena. Imagine you are watching a movie you're not so interested in, and therefor, are not immersed in it. The name of this movie is "Life." The mind is the screen where "Life" is projected onto, and experienced as sensations and thoughts. You are the awareness of "Life", of the mind. You are merely the audience.

Test this for yourself. I will state a short phrase, and it is for the reader to stop immediately upon reading it, and let your awareness simply witness the naturally arising thoughts related to the experience of the phrase. The phrase is "I am so tired of ______."

If you were successful, you will know or realize that you are not these thoughts. They arise without you, and they pass away without you. They only stay if you "grab" or "cling" to them with your awareness, just as a butterfly's nature is to fly free unless we grab it with our hand as it passes us. So just let the thoughts (and physical sensations) fly past you.

If you have difficulty, you may use the feeling of breathing in and out as an anchor. Simply rest your awareness on your breathing, and thoughts will eventually arise. When they arise, you return awareness to your breath. Soon the mind will realize.

You only need to realize you are not your thoughts, and that you don't need to be controlled by them. You don't have to be perfect at this. Just realize. It will create space for new sensations to arise.

Part 3: Accessing the Ecstasies
Having established "the witness", the next step is even easier. It is to "absorb" into NON-physical phenomena. Also known as "jhana-nimitta" or "charisms", these non-physical sensations are signs of absorption.

To do this, make sure your body is relaxed and comfortable. Then direct your awareness to the inside of your hands or feet, and rest it there. You will experience sensations. Let your awareness appreciate and subsequently absorb into the pleasant tingling, warmth, "fullness" or fluid movements you experience within. Even if it isn't mind-blowing at first, you must open your heart, and deeply appreciate it as if it were your refuge in the greatest need. Like it is a benevolent, deeply loved friend you've not seen for lifetimes, and now have the chance to embrace.

The more deeply you open up your heart to these sensations, the more you will be showered with tremendous reward. Soon, joy, bliss, and ecstasy will arise. And this is just the beginning.

Troubleshooting:

Like catching a butterfly, we don't squeeze too hard, or loosen too much. Your awareness of the non-physical sensations must be balanced. You must be gentle. If you concentrate too hard, you will experience tension in the body. If you concentrate too little, your awareness will waver. We're not concentrating at all. We're resting our awareness on the sensations, and embracing them with an open heart.

Continue to rest your awareness on this presence, allowing it to spread throughout the body. This takes patience, and one must let go. "Let go", for most people, is what we do when we go to sleep. One must relax into the primary sensations in your awareness. As one does, more sensations will enter the awareness, such as non-physical sensations in other parts of the body, or sounds, which almost always begin at first as a simple ringing or buzzing.

It's like standing in front of a beautiful painting with a flashlight pointed directly at it. When we take steps back, the flashlight illuminates more and more to our amazement. The light of our flashlight is the light of our awareness. The non-physical sensations inside the body is the painting. As our awareness slowly takes steps back at it's own pace--due to our awareness resting on and relaxing into it--we begin to see and experience more and more of the beautiful painting, our heart opens to it, and eventually we experience the totality of our non-physical "body."

Part 4: What is Possible?
For some who have practiced as they have read, they will experience much more than is detailed here. Each physical sense of though, seeing, smelling, tasting, hearing, balance, and tactile feeling has a non-physical counterpart, a sign of absorption, which will enter into your awareness as you relax into the non-physical sensations. They will develop, become stronger and more vivid. A ringing in the ear will turn into rushing water or birds. The tactile sensation present within the body will turn in bliss.

It will become clear to the reader they are tapping into an entire non-physical body with it's complete set of senses. Some may even experience an ecstatic surge of Energy rising in waves from the root to the crown of the head. Which will then surge back down with tremendous power, healing, love, insight, and ecstasy--often putting all the hairs of the physical body on end, and tears of relief in the eyes. This is called Kundalini, Energy, Ariya, or the Holy Spirit. It is unforgettable when at it's strongest.

Advanced: What is Possible?
If you go far enough, into the 4th stage, the 4th jhana, you may with the non-physical visual sense experience some kind of pin or light or tunnel or orb or star which will "like a spaceship" take you completely out of your physical body. You are now having an out of body experience. You may fall asleep, or not witness the "spaceship" and yet still have an out of body experience. Most likely you will experience heavenly things. Consider it a vacation, but the real progress is made in the first 4 stages, not the latter 4. If any of this is too much for you, simply open your eyes and walk away. Or to avoid leaving the body, just remain anchored in the tactile feeling sensations or even physical sensations in your background awareness.

This is all normal. Do not be frightened. Like riding a roller coaster for the first time, it is only a bit frightening because it is new to you. Like a child watching a movie at the theater for the first time. Your hands or feet may sweat, but trust that you are interacting with a benevolent process of unfolding. It's just very powerful and "moving" at first. Many of you, like I was the first time, will be too ecstatic for fear to bother you.

Welcome to the path to Enlightenment, to God, to Source, to Union, or whatever term you care to use. It doesn't matter. One simply knows they have come across something beautiful, profound, and it is what so many spiritual teachers have talked about all throughout history.

The fulfillment to be experienced within is far greater than anything to be experienced without.
: Re: "Authentic Meditative Absorption" (a booklet in process)
: Michel September 04, 2014, 10:58:49 PM
Thank-you, Jhanon. You did an excellent job. It's very much to the point and nicely succinct. 

Perhaps you might add that it is important not to crave to have jhana. Instead, one should savour the experience and be content with just whatever arises while being in the present moment.


 



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: Jhanananda September 04, 2014, 11:04:37 PM
Looks good Jhanon, pretty simple and straight forward instructions.
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: Jhanon September 04, 2014, 11:08:07 PM
Thank you both. I endeavored to make it fit for our 21st century minds of brevity. I wanted it to be as full of value as possible, and I will likely make revisions until it is even more succinct. This is the primary section of the booklet.

Michel, I think it is wise to add that to a "troubleshooting" section that will follow in the next part of the book, or be a separate booklet. Do you disagree? I am concerned about giving too many tips and causing confusion. I wanted instead to impact as many as possible in relation to what I've found to work for most people. Should this be their first time experiencing non-physical sensations, yet a lack of "oomph", I feel that it would be sufficient to cause a further searching and dedication.
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: Jhanon September 04, 2014, 11:15:51 PM
Actually, this can be done. I will modify it.
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: Michel September 04, 2014, 11:19:07 PM
Michel, I think it is wise to add that to a "troubleshooting" section that will follow in the next part of the book, or be a separate booklet. Do you disagree? I am concerned about giving too many tips and causing confusion. I wanted instead to impact as many as possible in relation to what I've found to work for most people. Should this be their first time experiencing non-physical sensations, yet a lack of "oomph", I feel that it would be sufficient to cause a further searching and dedication.
That's a good idea, Jhanon.

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: Jhanon September 04, 2014, 11:29:52 PM
I changed some wording, and emphasized your point. I used words like appreciate and savor, rather than content. Because I have not found contentedness to manifest greater absorption, or at least not kundalini. I have found gratitude and appreciation to manifest this. The greater gratitude and appreciation, even when listening to music, the more powerful the experience. Does your experience disagree?

They are only words, but what do you think? Content, to me, suggests "You're cool with it." Appreciate, savor or be grateful for suggests "Thank you so much!" Which, in everyday life alone is enough to manifest kundalini of the mild variety.

In fact, I am so glad to have written this, because I just learned. it's cemented. It happens every time I begin to feel deep gratitude.
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: Jhanon September 04, 2014, 11:33:15 PM
Lastly, Jhananda, it is my hope that you will honor "me" by allowing this to be on the GWV website once it is as close to perfection as possible. A big part of the reason I created this is because I am running out of time. I can't keep explaining it over and over to new "students."

So it was created with them in mind, and I intend to share it with future (as well as present) students or aspirants. It shocks me that I have not found this anywhere else. Almost every time I explain what is in that small booklet to an ASPIRANT, they experience a kundalini awakening, or is at least put on the path. It seems to be wise for this to exist where everything else can be accessed.

Perhaps it's already on the GWV website, but I have searched and searched without success.
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: Michel September 04, 2014, 11:37:52 PM
I changed some wording, and emphasized your point. I used words like appreciate and savor, rather than content. Because I have not found contentedness to manifest greater absorption, or at least not kundalini. I have found gratitude and appreciation to manifest this. The greater gratitude and appreciation, even when listening to music, the more powerful the experience. Does your experience disagree?

They are only words, but what do you think? Content, to me, suggests "You're cool with it." Appreciate, savor or be grateful for suggests "Thank you so much!" Which, in everyday life alone is enough to manifest kundalini of the mild variety.
"Gratitude and appreciation" for being witness to the sacred holy spirit. I like what your getting at. It's much better to have this attitude than being just being content.
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: Cal September 04, 2014, 11:40:45 PM
I know this is terribly off topic with all the excitement surrounding this work of art, yet I missed something when I read this before. I'd like to describe what Jhanon was calling Shaktipat...

A couple of weeks ago I invited Jhanon to my house to treat him to a BBQ, in appreciation for his guidance. As the day went on we ended up on my computer researching Kundalini, chakras and some iconography, and other areas of the Religous experience.  We started to talk about Shaktipat. Such is my nature that I said something along the lines of "I can manifest my aura and try to transfer it to you." So I tried this. At the time I was almost arguing that I could "expand" my aura by pushing it from my heart. So I became aware of my aura, intensified it, focused it till it was "hot" in my palm and touched Jhanon on the top of his wrist. Now what I expected was a recto on from him, instead I had to recoil. Tears came to my eyes as an "energy" shot back up my arm from the palm of my hand to my shoulder. INTENSLY BLISSFULL. So much so that I couldn't handle it. It dazed me. It was almost as intense as my kundalini awakening. The strangest thing, it was the exact same "feeling of energy".

I just wanted to share that when it was fresh in my mind. Again sorry for intruding on this post. Keep me posted Jhanon, I for one can say that you truly have a gift after witnessing first and second hand experience in real time.
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: Jhanon September 05, 2014, 10:38:58 PM
I know this is terribly off topic with all the excitement surrounding this work of art, yet I missed something when I read this before. I'd like to describe what Jhanon was calling Shaktipat...

A couple of weeks ago I invited Jhanon to my house to treat him to a BBQ, in appreciation for his guidance. As the day went on we ended up on my computer researching Kundalini, chakras and some iconography, and other areas of the Religous experience.  We started to talk about Shaktipat. Such is my nature that I said something along the lines of "I can manifest my aura and try to transfer it to you." So I tried this. At the time I was almost arguing that I could "expand" my aura by pushing it from my heart. So I became aware of my aura, intensified it, focused it till it was "hot" in my palm and touched Jhanon on the top of his wrist. Now what I expected was a recto on from him, instead I had to recoil. Tears came to my eyes as an "energy" shot back up my arm from the palm of my hand to my shoulder. INTENSLY BLISSFULL. So much so that I couldn't handle it. It dazed me. It was almost as intense as my kundalini awakening. The strangest thing, it was the exact same "feeling of energy".

I just wanted to share that when it was fresh in my mind. Again sorry for intruding on this post. Keep me posted Jhanon, I for one can say that you truly have a gift after witnessing first and second hand experience in real time.

That's fascinating, Cal. I didn't know. I experienced nothing other than jhana i was in. But it seems probable that the inner body, as it develops, changes it's frequency, wavelength, or spectrum to that of higher planes, and thus acts as a barrier to lower vibrations, wavelength, or spectrum----which is not meant as an insult. But think about it in general, and it makes sense. I'm not going to go into specifics, but Eckhart Tolle mentioned something similar in The Power of Now. And what is kundalini? Does it not feel like waves upon waves upon waves?
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: Cal September 05, 2014, 10:55:56 PM
It makes perfect sense to me. Jhanananda said once that his energy could be felt by his surrounding neighbors, and I believe him. Besides that you have a very powerful presence yourself. Another example would be when I was attempting to read your thoughts. You repressed my own energy and when I typed to you it was small you intensified the shit out of it. Yes the description for kundalini you used is accurate. It comes in wave after wave. I hope to one day have the focus you do.
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: Jhanananda September 06, 2014, 12:24:26 AM
Lastly, Jhananda, it is my hope that you will honor "me" by allowing this to be on the GWV website once it is as close to perfection as possible.
I would like very much to post the writing, and other creations, of the advanced members of the GWV on its website.  So, let us see where your writing and videos go.

Cal, on shaktipat.  Yes, definitely the religious experience can be transmitted to someone else.  I used to use it for healing.  I think jhana as a healing modality is a far more powerful healing modality than any other method.  What is required is the healer have facility with the various stages of the religious experience (jhana), and be able to go into them during a healing treatment.
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: Jhanon September 06, 2014, 01:03:54 AM
That is encouraging. Thank you for taking time to offer a response :)
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: Jhanon September 20, 2014, 03:45:18 AM
(Forgive me. This simply came out. I am not claiming it's completely accurate, worthy of going into the goal book/booklet, or better than any past teaching, or that I am fully enlightened.)

What is it you want? What is it you need?

What did you want when you were 5? Do you still think you know what you want? What you need? Who you are? What you are?

That's the problem. Without thinking, there is no "who." How could there be? Are you the same as you were at 5? No.

When you drive a car, you become the car. If it gets damaged, we assume we will get damaged. Some people are so identified with the cars they drive, they modify and "make it their own." If you lean against it, they might become angry with you. This is like the body and mind. But it is all ownerless and driverless.

What propels a car? Within a car is a construct, a fabrication, known as the engine. This engine is like the mind. It was constructed by the many experiences it has accrued. Instead of constructing the engine by fastening a part, like a piston inside the engine, the mind is conditioned by fastening experiences together. So, an engine could have a piston fastened to it. The mind will fasten something like an experience in your youth of someone telling you that "you'll never amount to anything." Once this experience is fastened, it has altered and become the condition of the mind. The mind in an ordinary human is always changing.

But what causes the engine to propel the car? It's the combination of compressing fuel and introducing a spark. First, however, the fuel is compressed. The fuel is consciousness. Consciousness is also not you. The compression of consciousness becomes your view of a current situation, which is narrowed by the piston's compression.

In the engine, a piston compresses the fuel until the fuel reaches a critical point. In the mind, conditioning from past experiences compresses the consciousness into a view. This view could be the appearance that someone is implying "you'll never amount to anything." In an ordinary person, a spark is automatically introduced to the view which consciousness is showing, which causes thought or action in relation to the view. You are the spark, which is awareness. "Un-conscience" awareness, but awareness nonetheless. But don't stop there, because it's not the whole story.

You don't actually do anything. The spark arises and falls away with extreme rapidity in an ordinary person, and is the slave to the car and engine. The spark isn't directly controlling the engine or the car. However, your body's engine--the fabricated mind--work to produce the illusion that you, the spark, are in control. After all, without the spark, without awareness, how could anything happen?

This process of the engine condensing the fuel, of the mind condensing the consciousness into a view, is perpetual, just like in an engine. It keeps happening, and normally we spark when the combustion chamber is at peak compression, thus keeping the engine going. This is why we begin to believe we are the mind, and therefor the body. The spark, you, is not a separate entity either. A spark is a form of "energy." This term "energy" is not literal. It's simply a signpost, pointing at the ineffable.

Coming back to the analogy of the engine in a car, in an enlightened being, they are no longer completely identified with the mind and body. They are increasingly RESIDING with this "energy." The engine might compress fuel, but an enlightened being doesn't spark, or at least not always. If they don't spark, the engine quickly comes to a stand-still. Without the spark, there is no combustion, no thought, no action. It is at this point that "energy" becomes most perceptible. If this goes on long enough, the engine shuts down completely, and the spark is fully identified with "energy." This is full enlightenment. The awareness has returned to it's natural state of harmony, of oneness.

But if that's the case, then how does the body or mind of a fully enlightened body "move?" What makes the wind blow? You can give a cause, but what is the cause of that cause? Keep following it, and you end up back where you started. So, what makes that entire cycle possible? This ineffable "energy" is how the body and mind of an enlightened being move. You may call the "energy" God, or whatever term you prefer.

Water doesn't need an engine to flow. It just flows.
: Re: Ecstatic Meditation (Accessing the Spiritual Ecstasies)
: Jhanon October 03, 2014, 09:49:22 PM
(This appears to belong here as much as it does the philosophy thread.)

The Droplet, the Stream, and the Ocean

All water ultimately comes from the ocean, and will at some point become a droplet. Sometimes the droplet sinks down deep into the soil, where it becomes one with the earth for some time, creating more life. Or, the droplet quickly evaporates. Either way, the droplet will eventually make it into the air, into a cloud. Soon it will reform as a droplet and fall to the earth to repeat the process. This happens a multitude of times.

Water droplets eventually enter a stream, or river. And where do rivers lead? Sometimes the ocean, or a sea, or lake. The more vast the destination reservoir, the more at peace the droplet is upon arrival. But the ultimate destination is to return to the ocean.

Droplet = Soul / Awareness
A droplet is not the Ocean, but it's essence is nonetheless the Ocean.

Stream = Religious Experience / Jhana
The stream is not the Ocean, but it's essence is also the Ocean. If a trip back home can be so emotional and joyful, then it's clear why the stream to the Ocean is so joyful and blissful.

Ocean = God / Nibbana
It's then obvious why the Ocean, the true source and home, is pure ecstasy.
: Re: Ecstatic Meditation (Accessing the Spiritual Ecstasies)
: Jhanon January 03, 2015, 05:04:23 AM
I've become a writing machine! Finally, I sat down to write the book I've been needing to for so long. Insights and knowledge piling up for so many years--maybe squeezing itself dry of compelling material in the process of making it to a FB or forum post. I realized when I wrote TO someone, or FOR others, that my writing was crap--like most of the stuff I've posted on here. And to my genuine surprise, I cranked out over a book's worth of content in 3 days. And it's really good!

I realized I had been censoring my writing because I didn't want to write too much, cause controversy, or because it would take a book's worth of content to explain. Or, that like this post, I was writing as if I was talking. But now when I write, I do so with access to the rest of my writings. So, I know I can explain something, and it will either lead from or to what I've already written. And I take the time to very carefully organize and explain it.

Until I took a college writing course last term, I hadn't developed a system of writing. Until it was over, I had no time to write. Until a few days ago, I hadn't developed the means to consistently stay in a stream of intuitive insight while writing. And until 3 days ago, I forgot that I ALREADY HAD an application perfect for writing and compiling a book.

I'm writing things I didn't even realize I knew. I used to think I was an external processor, but now I'm beginning to wonder if I just have a shitload to communicate. Maybe when I'm done, I will rarely speak, and just walk around with a smile on my face. That would be great.

For what it's worth to others who write, there it is in all it's completely haphazard glory.
: Re: Ecstatic Meditation (Accessing the Spiritual Ecstasies)
: Jhanananda January 03, 2015, 11:30:18 AM
Feel free to use this forum as your writing workshop.  You can start new threads to represent chapters in your book.  If people do not want to read all that you are writing, they do not have to.
: Re: Ecstatic Meditation (Accessing the Spiritual Ecstasies)
: Jhanon January 03, 2015, 07:44:53 PM
Feel free to use this forum as your writing workshop.  You can start new threads to represent chapters in your book.  If people do not want to read all that you are writing, they do not have to.

This has actually been the strategy of authors of some books i've read. Using forum conversation to generate and fine-tune content. However--and perhaps this is me being arrogant--but I am afraid of some of this content being stolen.

As a result, I write my posts as they come to mind. And I make very little efforts to hone them. Or, I read the posts of others, and instead of responding (like I seem to do for EVERYTHING), I just consider the content of what they've said. Then I meditate or go for a walk and all the dots connect to show a much more vivid and compelling picture. Then it goes into the book.

At some point I intend to have a few members here privately review the content. As much as I am generous and sharing, we live in a very capitalistic and cutthroat world. And I don't think I'm being un-virtuous(?) by retaining the draft content privately until it is published.

I can still provide posts which are helpful to others and reflect my thoughts, feelings, and insights. But the refined content is something I think should be kept private for a while. This is probably the first time I have ever said or done that.

You know what Einstein said: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results :)