Fruit of the Contemplative Life
Fruit of the contemplative life: => Samadhi => : baldbudgie February 10, 2015, 09:41:48 PM
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Hello seekers
I am wondering if anyone has come across this, whilst meditating at deepers levels with your eyes closed has an appearance of your body arisen??? as how you would percieve your body with your sight with your eyes open.
I would assume this to be at a deep level as there is stillness in the mind, but still awearness of external sounds, so one is not asleep/dreaming thou i would suspect that one nearing a level of dream/sleep, this for me not only occurs sometimes during meditation sessions but is also evident while falling asleep in a seated position, even if one were not to try and meditate, but just fall asleep with awearness.
In seekers opinions and experience, what difference do you experience between deep meditation and sleep with awearness???????
I find it interesting in the Tibetian traditions, they talk about calm abiding (still mind) but they also talk about the ability to hold an object in the mind without distrurbance and single pointed awearness upon the desired object with the ability to hold said object for as long as one desires how do seekers feel this ability, to hold a chosen object single pointedly for as long as one desires relates to a calm abiding?????????
Personally I feel having a calm/quite mind easier to attain than holding a object single pointedly without distraction.
Thanks
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Hello seekers
I am wondering if anyone has come across this, whilst meditating at deepers levels with your eyes closed has an appearance of your body arisen??? as how you would percieve your body with your sight with your eyes open.
I would assume this to be at a deep level as there is stillness in the mind, but still awearness of external sounds, so one is not asleep/dreaming thou i would suspect that one nearing a level of dream/sleep, this for me not only occurs sometimes during meditation sessions but is also evident while falling asleep in a seated position, even if one were not to try and meditate, but just fall asleep with awearness.
Yes, I have been experiencing this for decades. I am certain it is the physical body being seen by the awareness on the fringe of an OOBE, or in other words the 5th samadhi. It just so happens that Self Realization Fellowship, and other religious groups make a big deal out of this phenomena, thinking that it is Babaji, or the Christ, etc.
In seekers opinions and experience, what difference do you experience between deep meditation and sleep with awearness???????
Well, it depends upon how deep is deep, because for most people who meditate, they never even make it to the first jhana. However, in my experience with all 8 stages of samadhi, I see no difference between sleep and what I experience as deep meditation.
I find it interesting in the Tibetian traditions, they talk about calm abiding (still mind) but they also talk about the ability to hold an object in the mind without distrurbance and single pointed awearness upon the desired object with the ability to hold said object for as long as one desires how do seekers feel this ability, to hold a chosen object single pointedly for as long as one desires relates to a calm abiding?????????
Personally I feel having a calm/quite mind easier to attain than holding a object single pointedly without distraction.
Thanks
The problem with all religions is none of them seem to understand deep meditation, so I have had to dump them all; however, the Pali suttas seem to have one of the best records describing deep mediation and how to get there.
So, back to your question. As long as one is making an effort to attend to an object, then by definition vitaka and viccara are still active, thus at best one might have arrived at the first jhana.
Yes, the second jhana is defined by the stilling of the mind, so if one has stilled the mind, then one no longer needs an object of meditation. One just sustains that still mind.
Once the still mind has been established, then the charisms begin to arise. It is this time that one attends to the charisms, as if they are a new meditation object. At this point the contemplative's goal is to maintain that still mind, while attending to the charism (jhana-nimitta) 24-7. That is it.