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Tad

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Food
« on: December 04, 2022, 09:46:10 AM »
Dear friends,

I remember the topic of food was touched in some of the old threads. But I would like to discuss it more. What is your philosophy regarding diet? I kind of like Buddha's approach. Basically, any kind of food is fine as long as it provides enough energy for practice and no eating after noon. Except that I have to eat dinner due to work. But I try to make it as early as possible


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Re: Food
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2022, 02:45:59 PM »
In Dante's Inferno, there's a passage where they're in the third circle (the gluttons). All the people in life who couldn't control themselves when it came to food - who thought pleasure obtained by eating was the highest end - find themselves there in the afterlife.

I live in the US and it is remarkable what trouble food brings to people. Our diet is terrible here. I went to the market the other day and struggled to find a single item that didn't have added sugar.

The body treats sugar as a poison. A lot of people don't understand this. The digestive system can't metabolize it, so it goes to the liver. Sugar literally is treated the same way as alcohol is by the body, it's turned into fat which the liver (the poison processing factory of the body) has to break down.

The culture now is awful. There is this new wave now of "body positivity" and "healthy at any weight" - nope. In the past year I've had three colleagues tell me (without solicitation) that they have diabetes. I believe about 10% of the US population has it now. They have heart issues, high blood pressure, and diabetic neuropathy. And it could all have been avoided if they simply ate healthily.

Indeed "a great deal of human suffering is caused by us loving that is wrong for us and hating what is right for us." There is the need for discipline when it comes to food.

Gurdjieff said once, "'sin' is anything that is not necessary." I often ask myself this. What is necessary?

It does produce a kind of spartan manner of living; though at the same time it reflects the true nature of reality. We are not here for the food. Food is just here to keep the body alive. Thinking life is only for the pleasure of eating is a delusional belief. It is willingly choosing an inferior good when there are higher goods available to you.

Another question is vegetarianism. In India, the Hindus see the divine in all (all animals, etc) and because of this do not eat meat. Meanwhile in Europe and the west, the Christians say "God made the earth for man" and consequently eat meat. I think there is merit to both points of view. If you want to be a vegetarian I think it is very noble; at the same time if you want to follow the Christian paradigm I think that is fine too.

This also makes me think of the same question from the Bhagavad Gita. Arjuna asked Krishna, "what should I eat?" Krishna replied that people eat according to their gunas, their nature. Tamasic people eat cheap and easy food that is bad for you (so today's equivalent would be junk food, fast food, etc). Rajasic people eat stimulating or exciting food (so I guess that would be stuff like spicy food, exotic food, etc - makes me think of people who photograph their food and put it on their Instagram feed). Sattvic people eat food that is nourishing (so that would be a balanced diet; food that is nourishing; food that does not injure the body or one's health; a variety of foods, including protein, vegetables, grain, etc). So I guess that last one would be the ideal.

This also makes me think of Aristotle. As he said, "All things in moderation."  :)
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Re: Food
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2022, 11:29:52 AM »
Alexander,

Great post. You summarized the essence perfectly. I enjoyed reading it.

I also wonder how Jhananda went about eating during his long retreats and if he had his preferred types of food

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Re: Food
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2023, 01:19:45 PM »
So, I have come to a different perspective on food and diet than I had 50 years ago when I took up a rigorous, self-aware, contemplative life when I also took up a 100% raw, organic, vegan diet.  I recall the first summer after taking up that diet and feeling very healthy and energized by it, a raw food friend gave me a ride from Tucson to southern California where we traveled around to raw food meeting, groups and communities. 

Along the way we stopped at Hidden Valley Health Ranch to meet Dr. Bernard Jenson, one of the major proponents of raw food and iridology diagnostics.  He gave weekly public lectures on diet and health.  His lecture seemed to be focused upon us.  He told the story of his wife dying of cancer, and after her death he went to a steak house and had a steak. 

At the time, there was a lot of judgement in the raw, organic health movement against people who went back to the old diet, such as Jensen did.  But, now 50 years later, after developing diabetes, hypertension and COPD, I had to go Keto to reduce my carbohydrate intake, which never lowered my blood sugar, and Metformin only gave me diarrhea.

Meanwhile I was living most of the time in Prescott, AZ and having terrible allergies there, so I finally started taking antihistamines, and noticed the very next day my blood sugar was significantly lower.  I'm a retired research scientist, and science is all about data-driven investigation.  So, by the time I started taking antihistamines for my chronic allergies in the region I had about 7 years of blood sugar data with occasional normal, or extremely high blood sugar readings while living on a zero carb diet, which baffled me until I started taking antihistamines which lowered my blood sugar.

So, I started taking antihistamines to lower my blood sugar and found I could drop my blood sugar 100 units by taking Benadryl every 4 hours.  I told my doctors this and they completely ignored my comment as if I had said something really stupid.  So, I Googled allergies and diabetes, and found that there is actually research since the 50s showing a relationship between allergies and diabetes.

So, a year and a half later I develop a terrible lung infection when the local forest service was conducting a control burn that had filled Prescott with smoke, and the lung infection wouldn't go away.  I saw my doctor, he gave me a referral to a pulmonologist who gave me a COPD diagnosis. After that I bought an air purifier with a HEPA filter and found a small amount of relief. After a month I felt I should have had more recovery so I added an activated charcoal pre-filter and had more recovery, but my recovery seemed still too slow, and I was still being brought into the ER unconscious on a weekly basis every time I went grocery shopping. So, I bought an N-95 respirator with activated charcoal and stopped collapsing unconscious on my weekly grocery trips. 

I was also prescribed a CPAP machine, which plugged my airways within an hour of its use. I asked my pulmonologist for a filter for it, and he said there was none, so I plumbed both HEPA and activated charcoal filters to it, and began to have significant recovery.

Here is where I also need to say that within the first 6 months after I moved to Prescott, AZ 12 years ago I began having health events that brought me into the ER monthly.  After 6 months my arthritis had gone way overboard, I had gained 50lbs with no change in my diet, and I received a diabetes diagnosis and hypertension.  within three months after starting to use the air purifiers I had lost the weight, my blood sugar was nearly normal and my COPD was under control with no need to use an inhaler and I stopped needing to go to the ER for health traumas.

So, my conclusion is air pollution is the primary cause of disease and the gluttony, obesity and diabetes that is recorded in the USA is most likely due to the level of air pollution present in this country due to industrialization. And, a simple solution for people suffering from chronic degenerative disease is the use of air purifiers; however, just HEPA is not enough, and even adding activated charcoal to the air purifier is insufficient, but something called "multigas" filtration is a much better solution.  The multigas feature of some air purifiers is not just activated charcoal, but a second molecular sieve called Zeolite and potassium permanganate.  These multigas air purifiers are designed to also remove acid gases and VOCs, not just PM2.5 particulate.
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Re: Food
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2023, 01:36:22 AM »
Tad I have a similar philosophy.  I try to fast in the morning with just coffee, water and tea and eat later.  I am Vegetarian so as not to harm too many animals.  Lately I focus on the spiritual energy in my food, and raising the vibration of the food with reiki.  I try to put good thoughts and vibrations into it with positive sounds and mantras and just generally eat healthfully. 

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Re: Food
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2023, 05:23:57 AM »
David,

As long as you consume most of your intake in the earlier half of the day that really helps with energy and health in my experience. Im working on transitioning to mostly vegeterian diet but due to having a family that eats meat and work that requires maintaining physical fitness sometimes it can be difficult. My metabolism is very fast so it is not easy getting enough calories from plant based food.

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Re: Food
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2023, 02:27:07 PM »
On fasting and not eating afternoon, when I was first diagnosed with diabetes I figured I would just fast every day until my blood sugar returned to normal, but I found that my blood sugar rises during fasting, so part of my strategy of controlling my blood sugar is to eat a meal every 4 hours.  So, I urge people who are interested in optimizing their health to go down to a pharmacy and purchase a thermometer, a scale, a blood pressure meter, a pulse oximeter and a blood glucose meter.  Test your vitals every morning before eating any thing, and spreadsheet or journal your data and modify your diet according to the data, not based upon commonly held beliefs.
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