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jay.validus

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Solo Wilderness Retreats
« on: May 22, 2015, 03:42:03 AM »
I decided I am going to do my first solo retreat.  No ashram or meditation centre feel right to do a sit on.  This will be my first time, and although I have read some information on the experience, I am wonder how I should direct it, if at all?  What is the experience of others?  What is your routine?  Do you do any reading during the retreat?  Do you write in a journal?  And why?

Do you have any tips for the best type of places to do a sit, and what do you brings for food?  How do you end your sit?  What is it like going back to the world afterwards compared to a meditation centre? 


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Re: Solo Wilderness Retreats
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2015, 01:38:54 PM »
It is good to read that you are planning on a Solo Wilderness Retreat.  Everyone has their own way of doing that.  Some people rent a cabin for a few weeks, or backpack into the wilderness.  A backpacking Solo Wilderness Retreat can be as easy as taking public transportation to the end of the line, then hiking off from there into a place of solitude in the wilderness. 

About 40 years ago I took a free bus to the end of its rout in Santa Barbara, CA, USA, and camped in a quiet place by a creek.  There I also spent a week camped on a rocky ledge above high tide, just on the edge of down town.  There was a free kitchen that served the poor there.  In retrospect I think I should have just stayed there all of these years.

About 10 years ago I drove a van into the Inyo National Forest for the better part of two years, but I could have just as easily taken the bus to the end of its rout and hiked into the mountains that surround Tucson, AZ. 

About 40 years ago I found great efficacy in spending an entire year sleeping under the stars.  Then I found so much inspiration in it that I thought I would never sleep indoors again.  However, over the decades I have had so many large predators take an interest in eating me, that I can no longer meditate or sleep comfortably or deeply on the ground.  So, the van has become my retreat refuge.  At the depth of meditation that I have gotten to now celestial phenomena has simply become a distraction anyway.

On a Solo Wilderness Retreat one does have to figure out water, food, and shelter.  In the case of a Solo Wilderness Retreat in the mountains that surround Tucson, AZ there are plenty of springs, and creeks that run year round with relatively pure water.  And, I had considered them since my interest in a  Solo Wilderness Retreat began when I was 6.  Back 40 years ago I invested what little money came my way on good quality backpacking gear.  Some of which I still own and use.

However, the problem of food had always been an obstacle for me.  Canned food is heavy, so one could not carry much of it in a backpack.  Which means back packing in and out of the wilderness great distances on a regular basis was completely unrealistic, as I realized I would spend all of my time and effort schlepping food and water back and forth from town to camp.

So, back 40 years ago, some money came my way, and I had supported myself cleaning out stalls at a nearby ranch, and irrigating the pastures there.  So, I got to know horses, and felt comfortable with them, and thought I could buy a horse and go further with it.  I soon realized that I would need 2 horses.  One horse for me to ride, and the other horse for packing gear. 

Among the things about horses that drew me was they just eat grass and weeds, so they really do not need to be fed.  And, they live about 30 yeas, and reproduce themselves, so I could own a male and female pair of horses, and end up with a small herd of horses, but then I would end up being a full-time cowboy.  I also realized that it would take me days to ride a horse from the edge of Tucson to the nearest grocery store just to feed myself.  I also did not feel comfortable leaving my small herd of horses tethered on the edge of a city while I went for food.

Hunting and fishing would solve the problem of having to come in and out of town regularly for food.  But one would have to learn how to hunt and fish without any modern equipment, because having to come into town for bullets, and/or bate, and hooks, still posed an obstacle.  Also, I learend in the Inyo that one cannot eat meat or fish alone.  For health one must eat some vegetables, so one would have to learn ow to forage as well, which i learned.

My conclusion 10 years ago was living in a van that I could fuel from dumpster-dived waste oils, and living in the wilderness on the fringe of a small town, where I can get waste oil for fuel, and food bank food, and is surrounded by wilderness, remains my prime focus.  This is why I have chosen Prescott, AZ, USA as my home-base.

The same lifestyle could be done on a small boat that is paddled, and/or sailed.  Bolinas, CA, USA is a place that would work for such a lifestyle.

Another option is a fully equipped touring bike.  I have the fully equipped touring bike, and it remains my back-up plan, but I am getting too old for peddling great distances with a load of food and camping gear.

I hope these thoughts help.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2015, 02:07:35 PM by Jhanananda »
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Re: Solo Wilderness Retreats
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2015, 10:51:02 PM »
We shall see what happens. I hope to do a long-term nomadic lifestyle within the next couple years, at which point I can go much deeper than I am presently while working. 

I have done a bike tour, I still have my touring bike and equipment.  But I will probably find some place to do my own retreats until my next journey occurs.  Thanks for the tips.

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Re: Solo Wilderness Retreats
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2023, 09:51:44 AM »
This is a good topic. I was actually gonna post pretty much exactly the same questions just like the OP of this thread. My dream is to go on a long solo hike one day for maybe a few months with mininal interaction with civilization. It was interesting to read about Jhananda's experience with wild predators. I thought about this issue quite a bit. I slept in forests under the stars in just a sleeping bag while in the military. But there was not too much fear of wild animals cause I was always with a group of human beings. I wonder how wondering monks used to live back in the day and sleep under trees.

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Re: Solo Wilderness Retreats
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2023, 01:22:06 PM »
After so many encounters with hungry predators I now realize I was just way too naive, and just lucky that I was not eaten, but being a hermit in the wilderness is most likely the strategy of most mystics in the past.  However, most of them surely succombed to predation from predators and predatory humans, and most likely never entered the public record. The Desert Fathers and Mothers are a good model here for us to examine.  They lived on small islands in the Nile delta, where they found a relatively safe place to live and build a simple hut, but annual flooding would have killed most of them. Those who survived the floods would have been eaten by lions and crocodiles.

So, back to my reflections above, Santa Barbara, CA 50 years ago could have worked if I had acquired a small canoe or sail boat, and rowed or sailed to a remote spot and camped there for as long as needed, subsisting off of fishing, hunting and foraging, plus going into town possibly weekly for food at a soup kitchen, and food bank, but predation is still the most likely end game.
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Re: Solo Wilderness Retreats
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2023, 09:44:09 PM »
I have done four retreats myself, 12 months to 18 months each, although they have all been in a house.  I myself am not particularly an outdoors person, although I do take long walks and can appreciate hikes, waterfalls and nature.  On my current retreat this is month thirteen, so just finishing up the first year.  I am hoping to continue until the Holidays and pick up a holiday seasonal job then.

    Food for me - I rely on my savings as well as food stamps.  If you can get food stamps Jay I can recommend it.  They could supplement whatever savings or other forms of foraging you are doing or at least act as an emergency backup.  This is the first retreat I have gotten food stamps.  I should have applied for them my first three retreats to save more, oh well, live and learn.
 Each retreat I am learning more of how to support this lifestyle.

My retreat location - currently with in my atomic family in their household, so my shelter is covered there.

My first two retreats when younger were somewhat haphazard, my 3rd and this 4th retreat I've learned to keep a regular practice schedule.  Having a meditation schedule helps keep me disciplined and moving forward without distractions.  I have specific rest days each week, Wednesday and Saturday when I do short sits and I have specific chore days, Tuesday and Friday when I do more work around the family house such as cutting the grass.

   I would say that for me actually having these chores to do is helpful, because it allows me to move my body.  I believe some ashrams have this schedule as well, they have meditation periods and then seva/work periods.

I also make sure to have something rewarding to do during my rest periods such as watching a tv show I like or a movie I like to 'unwind' from the long hours of meditation.  Too much meditation/spiritual training for me, averaging more than 6 hours a day, causes 'burnout' so balance I think is important.

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Re: Solo Wilderness Retreats
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2023, 09:57:00 PM »
You may think of moving to one of the cities or states who are considering 'Guaranteed Basic Income' and applying for that.  The idea that everyone should have a basic level of money seems to be gaining popularity.  The city near me is trying the program out with 175 people this year, giving each person 500$ per month for 12 months for free. 

I tried applying this week for the pilot program but I live outside the city limits so when I called City Hall they could not give me an application slot.  I probably would have extended my retreat another year if I could have gotten a slot. 

Article about my city's program:
https://www.thecentersquare.com/new_york/rochester-joins-growing-ranks-of-cities-offering-guaranteed-income-programs/article_08cd3d62-5e56-11ed-b73e-1b1ba77f869f.html

I believe there are some city areas in California that already have GBI or UBI (Universal Basic Income) programs operating.

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Re: Solo Wilderness Retreats
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2023, 04:34:08 AM »
That is an interesting program. Hopefully, there will be more people who use the money for noble purposes such as meditative practices.

BTW, I visited Rochester a few years ago. It felt nice in summer with lots of trees and the lake.

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Re: Solo Wilderness Retreats
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2023, 12:46:45 PM »
BTW, David, I thought it was funny that your shopping list that you posted had beer  :)

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Re: Solo Wilderness Retreats
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2023, 09:20:38 PM »
Tad:
I live about 40 minutes East of Rochester NY FYI, between Rochester and Syracuse.

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BTW, David, I thought it was funny that your shopping list that you posted had beer
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   My diet is mainly one that seems to help me remove the chemtrail substrates (air pollution Jeff would call it) that bioaccumulate daily and act as antennae for the energy attacks.  Beer, milk, heavy metal detoxifiers, etc... all seem to help (as do air purifiers on high filtration rates).  The substrate appears to deposit in the brainstem area daily so chemicals like ethanol that penetrate the blood brain barrier and acts as a biological solvent seem to help.

Apropos beer is very enjoyable to drink, although I am trying to cut down somewhat though as my sleep improves, the milk and beer certainly have put a few inches on my waist!

-David
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