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Remembering past lives, arahantship
« on: August 12, 2014, 07:00:53 PM »
What I'm wondering is why someone in this group hasn't just directed their mind to knowledge of Jesus'  existence? So far, whenever I get to 4th jhana, I can intend my mind for knowledge of something and get it. Unfortunately, it appears to be restricted by the level of my attainment. So, for example; I can rather easily see the past and remotely view the present of anyone I know. But, if I intend to know "How can I access the full ecstatic energy blast anytime I want", I don't get an answer.

In other words, it should be within our ability to find the answer through the 4th jhana, especially if that individual is an arahant.

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Re: Remembering past lives, arahantship
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2014, 07:14:31 PM »
You should do it, Jhanon, and tell us what you find out.
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Re: Remembering past lives, arahantship
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2014, 07:19:03 PM »
I don't have this power. I have to read books to learn things. Haha.
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Re: Remembering past lives, arahantship
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2014, 07:34:24 PM »
But, you are at least a nonreturner, right? And it's the 11th Fruit of the Contemplative Life

Nanadassana   lit “knowledge" (nana) and "vision" (dassana)

What I mean, Alexander, is; are you suggesting that I'm fooling myself? Or that Fruits come at different times on the path for different people? Or that not all fruits are necessarily attained even in arahantship? Or, that it isn't a fruit you've developed but do have access to?

I'd like to better understand.

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Re: Remembering past lives, arahantship
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2014, 07:36:11 PM »
I've envisioned you as an arahant or nonreturner. A being with far more attainment than me. But I've never directed my mind during samadhi to direct knowledge of your attainment.

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Re: Remembering past lives, arahantship
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2014, 07:52:09 PM »
I wish I could do that. I have had many revelations over the years I wish I could confirm -- or negate.

And we are very close to one another. I haven't been trying to produce an impression otherwise.

I wrote about some of my recent experiences in the thread with fqmorris: http://fruitofthecontemplativelife.org/forum/index.php/topic,743.0.html
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Re: Remembering past lives, arahantship
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2014, 08:08:43 PM »
A couple of quotes from that:

Quote from: fqmorris

    How did you acquire those "knowledges?  Are you saying you are now an arahant?  If so, how do you know that?

Quote from: Alexander

To answer this question I would have to go back to my adolescence. When I was the age of 15, I realized I was different from other people. Very arrogantly, perhaps, I thought I was smarter than everyone else. Or, to express it differently, I felt that I knew "some secret" that made all the thoughts and experiences of the people around me irrelevant. For a long time, however, I was not able to express why I was different from others. But, I began to study and explore.

I read many books, and eventually discovered two important things from Buddhism:

First, the idea of the bodhisattva (by this I mean the "heroically-minded one," a soul that is destined for liberation);

Second, the idea of the streamwinner, someone who is free of the 3 lower fetters.

In almost every way at the age of 15 I was like any other person. But, I intuited I was different. Finally, I came to the conclusion that what I lacked was those 3 fetters, while everyone else had them. Additionally, I was certain I was one of these souls who was "destined" for liberation: although at that time I did not understand the gravity of what that meant.

As time passed, I became a part of the Gurdjieff esoteric school. If you have some experience with this I can explain more. I submitted to the teachings of G. I. Gurdjieff for a large number of years, and had many excellent teachers. I honestly do not think there is anything like the Gurdjieff school in the world.

Finally, four years ago I discovered Jeffrey Brooks. It was very fateful because I found him the day he posted his first video on jhana on Youtube. The day he put it up was the day I happened to search "jhana" on Youtube.

To finally get to your question, "Am I an arahant?" If I had to answer this question now, I would lean on the humble side and say "No." However, I would also say I am not a nonreturner anymore. But, in reference to the fetters, have I extinguished the 5 higher fetters?

Quote from: fqmorris

    ... I'm assuming this was in a past life?

Quote from: Alexander

Here you are referring to the siddhi of remembering past lives, but I have not experienced it. However Jhanananda as well as Valdy have written case histories on it here.
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Re: Remembering past lives, arahantship
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2014, 08:53:32 PM »
Yes, wow, we actually appear to be practically twins if my mind doesn't deceive me. The early onset of "something is different about me", feeling "wiser/smarter". For me, it wasn't even necessary for me to know. People told me all the time I was smarter/wiser and "marched to the beat of my own drum."

So then it seems Nonreturner to Arahantship is the big hurdle. Or perhaps we entered into this life as Once-Returners, and simply re-experienced the awakening?

How could this be? It's so fascinating. And then, on top of that, my partner who has some obvious signs of attainment.

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Re: Remembering past lives, arahantship
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2014, 09:33:54 PM »
Yes, my first guess is we are reincarnated once-returners. If that isn't upsetting to say. I am also open to us being from somewhere else... but we would have to ask Jeffrey about that.
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Re: Remembering past lives, arahantship
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2014, 09:49:49 PM »
"Somewhere else?" Can you be more explicit? I may be able to get an answer through 4th jhana. It seems I only get answers that are of importance (ie they lead to greater development)

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Re: Remembering past lives, arahantship
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2014, 10:07:14 PM »
Well, Jeffrey mentioned that mystics are often devas who descend to the earth. Natalie's story brought that up as well. To me that is much more upsetting than being reincarnated. But, it wouldn't surprise me if it was true.
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Re: Remembering past lives, arahantship
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2014, 10:18:25 PM »
What I'm wondering is why someone in this group hasn't just directed their mind to knowledge of Jesus'  existence? So far, whenever I get to 4th jhana, I can intend my mind for knowledge of something and get it. Unfortunately, it appears to be restricted by the level of my attainment. So, for example; I can rather easily see the past and remotely view the present of anyone I know. But, if I intend to know "How can I access the full ecstatic energy blast anytime I want", I don't get an answer.

In other words, it should be within our ability to find the answer through the 4th jhana, especially if that individual is an arahant.
You have been given the answer, and lots of encouragement.  Now, you have to just live the lifestyle, if you want bliss in spades every time you meditate.
Well, Jeffrey mentioned that mystics are often devas who descend to the earth. Natalie's story brought that up as well. To me that is much more upsetting than being reincarnated. But, it wouldn't surprise me if it was true.
I expect that anyone who has found the fruit/charisms is most probably a reincarnated angel/deva.  However, not all angels/devas get the jackpot every time.  They must become impeccable in living the lifestyle that produces ecstasy.
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Re: Remembering past lives, arahantship
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2014, 05:02:12 AM »
What I'm wondering is why someone in this group hasn't just directed their mind to knowledge of Jesus'  existence? So far, whenever I get to 4th jhana, I can intend my mind for knowledge of something and get it. Unfortunately, it appears to be restricted by the level of my attainment. So, for example; I can rather easily see the past and remotely view the present of anyone I know. But, if I intend to know "How can I access the full ecstatic energy blast anytime I want", I don't get an answer.

In other words, it should be within our ability to find the answer through the 4th jhana, especially if that individual is an arahant.
You have been given the answer, and lots of encouragement.  Now, you have to just live the lifestyle, if you want bliss in spades every time you meditate.
Well, Jeffrey mentioned that mystics are often devas who descend to the earth. Natalie's story brought that up as well. To me that is much more upsetting than being reincarnated. But, it wouldn't surprise me if it was true.
I expect that anyone who has found the fruit/charisms is most probably a reincarnated angel/deva.  However, not all angels/devas get the jackpot every time.  They must become impeccable in living the lifestyle that produces ecstasy.

You're right; I did get my answer, Jhananda. My response to this probably belongs in the Kundalini topic or something.

I've been reading St. John of the Cross, lately. Contemplating the kundalini energetical bliss of the early meditative absorptions, and trying to figure out why samadhi is empty of kundalini for so long now. The more I established in samadhi, the less fulfilling it was, because there was no kundalini--no communion with God. \

This lead me to recall Jhananda addressing this issue for me in the past by saying something like "look at the charisms more as communing with the divine, with God." This appeared logical and intuitively felt accurate. I tried, but have so far failed.

Reflecting further, I came to more fully understand that the kundalini blasts are not like the rest of the charisms/immaterial body sensations. They are something far stronger, transcendent and profound. I reflected on how they occur most often when I am experiencing a beautiful piece of art/creativity, like music, or the treatise that Michel paraphrased from one of his "manic" states--which seems closer to "God" than any musical experiences I've had lately. In the beginning of these kundalini energy experiences, it was like I was being guided. I only wished to be closer to the bliss of God, and so I followed anything that brought me this energy.

Furthermore, I considered how this path is one of renunciation of worldly things. The less worldly the stimuli which induce or help induce kundalini energy, the more blissful and transcendent it is. Obviously, I am leaving out many details of a multi-faceted phenomena. Let me get to my point:

Kundalini energy is communion with God, or whatever you want to call "it." I've found it to be indicative of one's alignment with the path to Union. The stronger it is, the closer one is to "God." Which I think is a multi-faceted mechanic I can only further make suppositions of.

I feel like, in relation to the supposition that kundalini energy is communion with God, that I've strayed further and further. God hasn't forsaken me--I've simply failed. Fear fools me every step of the way. There are doubts everywhere. How much suffering does God want me to endure? Cut the doctors, medications, family--everything out?

It feels tragic that I am so inadequate in my practice. That I've yet to feel the presence of God since that day almost two years ago.  I may be in a dark night, but I don't know enough yet.

This post is all over the place. Let me just say this. I miss kundalini blasts. I miss the feeling of divinity. Of God guiding me. I am more noble in my efforts than I ever have before, and yet i feel forsaken. Please, everyone, forgive me for my inadequacies in this post.
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Re: Remembering past lives, arahantship
« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2014, 04:11:36 AM »
Jhanon, my heart goes out to you buddy. I remember a few things from our conversations over the last few weeks where you have hinted towards something of this nature. I wonder if this has anything to do with the first night you guided me to my own Kundalini awakening? You told me that night that you were unable to withdraw from absorption. So, as you would say "that is inplicative" of a connection between us.  I will be perfectly honest, the last few days since posting my experiences on the forum here, I have been void of any sub-concious kundalini. I think it has alot to do with the relief you folks with GWV were able to provide. With that said, I would like to give back a little, and attempt in sharing my own energy with Jhanon.

Is it unheard of for something of this nature to occur? On the same note, is it possible to share ones own "intensity" with another during absorption? Simply, while my experiences are intense, could I share that with Jhanon? I've honestly come to believe that everything and anything is possible with the charisms. So I dont think that this could be so much of a stretch. Allow me the opportunity to try, something inside of me is screaming that this is possible. I do, however, ask the GWV for any personal insight to the matter. Has anyone tried this before? What were the results? Is there risk of serious backlash etc?


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Re: Remembering past lives, arahantship
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2014, 10:59:03 AM »
Is it unheard of for something of this nature to occur? On the same note, is it possible to share ones own "intensity" with another during absorption? Simply, while my experiences are intense, could I share that with Jhanon? I've honestly come to believe that everything and anything is possible with the charisms. So I dont think that this could be so much of a stretch. Allow me the opportunity to try, something inside of me is screaming that this is possible. I do, however, ask the GWV for any personal insight to the matter. Has anyone tried this before? What were the results? Is there risk of serious backlash etc?

Yes, one can share energy. There have been times when someone meditating with you will experience that. Those who gives shaktipat can also. Or a group of people can spontaneous share that as well but it's not something long lasting. It is still best to practice and achieve your own "intensity".

To those who have experience the first burst of energy that is incredulous, it's wonderful but as time goes on it becomes subtler.