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Jhanon's Map of Non-Physical Phenomena Progression into Siddhi
« on: September 12, 2014, 09:36:50 PM »
Jhanon's Direct Experience Map of Non-Physical Phenomena Progression into Siddhi
Latest Update: 10.29.2014 (As of 1.3.2015, I realize this list has a lot to be updated and corrected. But I do not have time at the moment to do so. The general gist should serve the purpose of orientating aspirants and mystics to the charismatic body of faculties.)

Introduction
Are you fascinated by supernatural abilities but are new to meditative absorption (jhana/samadhi)? You've come to the right place. You can develop both at the same time...

What Benefits Does This List Offer?
My intent with this list is to provide the information necessary for an aspirant to acquaint themselves with the Non-Physical Faculties. Simply resting the awareness on the subtle levels of these Faculties as a meditation object will lead to absorption (jhana), which will lead to more pronounced and refined Faculties, which leads to even deeper absorption, and so on.

Explanation
 Most of us have the physical faculty of eyesight, but could see very little when we were first born. As we continued to use our eyesight, it developed and refined. In the same way as these physical faculties, we have an entire Non-Physical Body of Faculties that can be developed and refined. At their subtler levels, like the tingling in the hands, we often call these "charisms" or "jhana-nimitta." When they are developed, these Faculties account for what we call Siddhi or "Supernatural Abilities." In general, the development of a Faculty looks like this:

"Mundane --> Charism/Nimitta --> Supernatural Ability --> Siddhi"

Think of the Faculty as a rock that gets progressively sharper and piercing. The above illustration does not exactly coincide with the illustrations below. They are simply there to give you an idea.

Faculties
Each Faculty has a range from dull and subtle to clear and refined, as illustrated above. An easy example is the Non-Physical Faculty of Sight, which at it's subtlest is merely a vague multicolored "television static" laid over our physical sight. However, it refines into the ability to see tremendous fractal geometry displays, blinding light, and entities like devas (angels.) How refined the abilities become is dependent on the aspirant first becoming aware of the subtle levels already available in ordinary daily life, and spending time absorbing into them.

What Happens to Faculties if One Leaves the Body?
At the time of writing this, it is my experience that each Faculty continues to develop once we've left the physical body during deep samadhi or sleep. This is the point at which the abilities become unbelievable, where one can move things with their mind, teleport, fly, etc. Most of us, during a dream (which is technically an OOBE), have flown or moved things with our mind.

Disclaimer
I only list Faculties and abilities/charisms which I've had enough direct personal experience with. I've left out many extraordinary abilities that I just don't know enough about. To make matters more difficult; as the Faculties develop and the individual reaches Samadhi 6-8, the Faculties merge together. Because this could be very confusing, for most Faculties, the development line will end simply with "OOB."

The Non-Physical Faculties

Faculty: Direct Knowledge
Development: Conscience --> Intuition --> Knowing --> Being --> Omniscience

Explanation - "Intuitive Insight" is a synonym of this faculty. It is self-arising knowledge. Unlike a train of thoughts that lead to other related thoughts, the experience of direct knowledge arises spontaneously.

Conscience - The sense of knowing a necessary duty, like the drive to initially attain jhana. Ignoring the conscience causes anxiety. Guidance from the conscience is what helps us initially discover jhana, and reduce anxiety.

Intuition - General and vague knowledge with a similar "feel" to the experience of conscience. A personal example is the knowledge that my companion was pregnant, experienced on the same day as conception. There was only the mildest of uncertainty due to lack of experience with the Direct Knowledge Faculty.

Knowing - Knowledge with a much firmer "feel". There is a confidence of the accuracy of the Knowing. Perhaps a thought enters the mind, and it is immediately Known to be the thought of another we are presently interacting with. There is no doubt with such Knowing.

Being - A stream of direct knowledge that is engaged and assimilated continuously. It is assimilated so thoroughly and continuously that there is little or no identity-driven behavior. This allows non-critical direct knowledge, such as the thoughts of another, to be utilized without need to be fully aware of it. It flows ceaselessly like a stream, allowing the individual to become a force of Nature or "Be Dhamma."

Faculty: Hearing
Development: Ringing --> Rushing/Humming--> Birds --> Voices --> OOB

Explanation - This is pretty straight-forward. It is hearing sounds not of the physical plane. This'll get you thrown in the looney bin pretty quick, so be mindful of sharing experiences of this faculty. Common experiences include; ringing, birds chirping, running water, rushing, humming, voices, and ominous voices. In a quiet room, can you hear the subtle ringing?

Faculty: Sight
Development: Dull Color --> Shapes --> Seeing Entities like Devas(Angels) -->  Remote Viewing --> OOB

Explanation - Here is another simple one. It is the ability to see non-physical phenomena. This manifests in earlier developments as a dull multi-colored "television snow" laid over the physical visual field. It's easiest to see this in the dark.  Silhouettes and vague details of entities or landscapes, Fractal geometry patterns and displays are also common. When developed further, it allows one to see non-physical phenomena with the same level of detail, if not more than physical visual phenomena.

Faculty: Internal Tactile Field
Development: Inner Presence --> Inner Pleasure --> Inner Bliss --> Inner Equanimity --> OOB

Explanation - "Inner body" is a synonym of this faculty. It's a non-physical sense of touch felt "within" the physical body. To test this, you can simply direct your awareness into your hands and feel the tingling.

Inner Presence - Simply the vague ability to feel within the body. A simple example is possible by observing how the Inner Tactile Field becomes tense during 1st jhana when one concentrates too hard on the meditation object.

Inner Pleasure - This is a comforting non-physical feeling that arises when one is consciously aware of the Inner Tactile Field. It arises as mild warmth, tingling, waves, and/or a sense of fullness. It is available in 1st and 2nd jhana.

Inner Bliss - This is a strong and pleasant non-physical feeling that arises in 3rd jhana. It's similar in feel to a "full body orgasm."

Inner Equanimity - This is the freedom from pain and pleasure of 4th jhana. It feels weightless and full of emptiness.

Faculty: External Tactile Field
Development: Outer Presence --> Outer Pleasure --> Outer Bliss --> Outer Equanimity --> OOB

Explanation - "Mantle of God" and "Aura" appear to be abilities within this faculty. In short, it is the ability to "touch" the space external to your body by simply directing the awareness to it. It has a tactile "touch" feeling to it. In grocery stores, I simply rest my awareness in all the space surrounding me, enabling me to discern the presence and/or qualities of others which enter the proximity. At it's greatest in-body capacity herein poorly named "Long-Distance Tendrils", it allows one to feel what someone even 10 miles away is feeling. Distance doesn't appear to matter at that point, and it CAN arise without any physical contact, including via phone or internet.

Faculty: Guidance
Development: Coincidence --> Synchronicity --> Obvious Direction --> Pure Guidance --> OOB

Explanation - It is remarkable occurrences which carry significance to the individual(s) experiencing it. For a little fun, one might say it is "divine GPS."

Coincidence - a remarkable concurrence of events or circumstances without apparent causal connection. There is more to it than that, but the individual is unable to see beyond it.

Synchronicity - the simultaneous occurrence of events that appear significantly related but have no discernible causal connection. It is at this point that an individual will begin to investigate and "connect the dots", gaining insight and confidence.

Obvious Direction - an individual begins to see how coincidental and synchronistic events connect to each other and what the deeper information is. A personal example of this is when I was faced with the choice to take my medication or not. My goal was to not take the medication, but the conditioning to take it was strong. And so I had the thought "If I continue experiencing joy through Dhamma discussions, I will not take it, for I will have been accommodated in this way." For the following hours I experienced thrilling non-stop Dhamma discussion that provided many strong insights and kundalini blasts.

Pure Guidance - there is no longer any doubt. The individual experiences a stream of concurrent events, whether internal or external, and immediately knows the deeper meaning and course of action to take. These come in a constant stream both internally and externally, upwards of many hours or days, and is what I often refer to as "magic" or "divine accommodation." It's a purer form of Obvious Direction and the stream continues as long as it is engaged properly. A fearlessness is necessary.

Faculty: Energy Handling
Development: Vague Sense --> Direction of Energy --> Extraction of Negative Energy --> Healing Others --> OOB

Explanation - Fairly straight-forward, this is the ability to sense and manipulate energy in another being. It is the Faculty in which hands-on healing belongs. One can place their hand on another and sense energy within that area of the body. The energy can be directed, extracted, or healed.

Faculty: Energy Presence
Development: Presence --> Contagious Presence --> Charismatic Presence --> Shaktipat --> OOB

Explanation - Ever walked into a room of people and felt something "heavy" was happening? Whether in-person, remotely (eg phone), or through a creation (writing), one has a detectable energetical presence. This presence impacts others. I have lost many jobs and friends because my mere presence was found detestable by others. However, my most ecstatic life experience was also due to the energy presence in the words of the author in their book, and I've also experienced Shaktipat through this. A common example might be how a group of individuals can transform the behavior of a newcomer to resonate with them. This Faculty is similar to "External Tactile Field", but is not a superficial sensing and has great power to transform situations and others without even saying a word.

Faculty: Smell

Explanation This is less commonly reported, and I have little experience with it. However, it is the ability to smell things not physically present. It may be possible that things such as electricity which don't have a smell, actually have a non-physical smell.

Faculty: Taste

Explanation This is less commonly reported, and I have little experience with it. However, it is the ability to taste things not physically present.

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Faculty: Balance
Dizziness --> Euphoria --> Movement of Non-Physical Vessel --> Equanimity --> Flying/Teleporting

Faculty: Empathy
Sympathy --> Empathy --> Mind Reading -- > Knowing Awareness of Others --> OOB

Faculty: Physical Exhaust
Inability to be still --> Twitches/Kriya --> Vibration --> Shaking

This is a work in progress. There is room for much more, and corrections, but this is a good jumping off point.
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Re: The Supernatural Powers (siddhis)
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2014, 10:11:51 PM »
I swore I could "smell" electricity once...I dont mean the burning of insulation that coats electrical wires, either. It was distinct, something I had never smelled before. My brain said it smells like electricity.
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2014, 07:17:07 PM »
I've heard you guys claim you can read minds, recollect past lives, and have various other supernatural capabilities. These attainments are the fruits of deep samadhi. The Wiki article describes what some of them are. What are the actual siddhis that one can expect to develop from practicing attaining the higher jhanas?

Quote from: Wikipedia
    Siddhis[note 1], as the word is defined, are spiritual, paranormal, supernatural, or otherwise magical powers, abilities, and attainments that are the products of spiritual advancement through sadhana (spiritual practices), such as meditation and yoga.[1] There is a related Buddhist term, "Iddhi", that translates as "psychic powers", and is often used interchangeably. People who have attained one more or Siddhis are formally known as siddhas.[2] The attainment of Siddhis are typically independent of one another, although it is not uncommon for many Siddhis to arise simultaneously out of the proper conducive state of consciousness....

    Eight primary siddhis[edit]

    In Hinduism eight siddhis (Ashta Siddhi) are known:[11]

    •   Aṇimā: reducing one's body even to the size of an atom
    •   Mahima: expanding one's body to an infinitely large size
    •   Garima: becoming infinitely heavy
    •   Laghima: becoming almost weightless
    •   Prāpti: having unrestricted access to all places
    •   Prākāmya: realizing whatever one desires
    •   Iṣṭva: possessing absolute lordship
    •   Vaśtva: the power to subjugate all[12]

    Bhagavata Purana[edit]

    Five siddhis of yoga and meditation[edit]

    In the Bhagavata Purana, the five siddhis of yoga and meditation are:

    1.   tri-kāla-jñatvam: knowing the past, present and future
    2.   advandvam: tolerance of heat, cold and other dualities
    3.   para citta ādi abhijñatā: knowing the minds of others and so on
    4.   agni arka ambu viṣa ādīnām pratiṣṭambhaḥ: checking the influence of fire, sun, water, poison, and so on
    5.   aparājayah: remaining unconquered by others[13]

    Ten secondary siddhis[edit]

    In the Bhagavata Purana, Lord Krishna describes the ten secondary siddhis as:

    •   anūrmi-mattvam: Being undisturbed by hunger, thirst, and other bodily appetites
    •   dūra-śravaṇa: Hearing things far away
    •   dūra-darśanam: Seeing things far away
    •   manaḥ-javah: Moving the body wherever thought goes (teleportation/astral projection)
    •   kāma-rūpam: Assuming any form desired
    •   para-kāya praveśanam: Entering the bodies of others
    •   sva-chanda mṛtyuh: Dying when one desires
    •   devānām saha krīḍā anudarśanam: Witnessing and participating in the pastimes of the gods
    •   yathā sańkalpa saḿsiddhiḥ: Perfect accomplishment of one's determination
    •   ājñā apratihatā gatiḥ: Orders or commands being unimpeded [14]

    Samkhya[edit]

    In the Samkhya Karika and Tattva Samasa there are references to the attainment of eight siddhis by which one becomes free of the pain of ignorance, one gains knowledge, and experiences bliss. The eight siddhis hinted at by Kapila in the Tattvasamasa[note 2] are as explained in verse 51 of Samkhyakarika:[15]

    1.   Uuha: based on the samskaras of previous births, the attainment of knowledge about the twenty-four Tatwas gained by examining the determinable and the indeterminable conscious and the non-conscious constituents of creation,
    2.   Shabad: knowledge gained by associating with an enlightened person (Guru – upadesh),
    3.   Addhyyan: knowledge gained through study of the Vedas and other standard ancillary texts,
    4.   Suhritprapti: knowledge gained from a kind-hearted person, while engaged in the spread of knowledge
    5.   Daan: knowledge gained regardless of one’s own needs while attending to the requirements of those engaged in the search of the highest truth,
    6.   Aadhyaatmik dukkh-haan: freedom from pain, disappointment, etc. that may arise due to lack of spiritual, metaphysical, mystic knowledge and experience,
    7.   Aadhibhautik dukkh-haan: freedom from pain etc. arising from possessing and being attached to various materialistic gains,
    8.   Aadhidaivik dukkh-haan: freedom from pain etc. caused by fate or due to reliance on fate,

    The attainment of these eight siddhis renders one no longer in a painful state of ignorance but in possession of greater knowledge and experience of bliss. The
    aim of Samkhya is to eliminate all kinds of physical and mental pains and to receive liberation.

    Patanjali's Yoga Sutras[edit]

    In Patanjali's Yoga Sutras IV.1 it is stated (rendered in IAST):
    janma auṣadhi mantra tapaḥ samādhijāḥ siddhayaḥ
    In translation:
    Accomplishments may be attained through birth, the use of herbs, incantations, self-discipline or samadhi.[16][note 3]
    Hindu gods associated with gaining siddhi[edit]
    In Hinduism, both Ganesha and Hanuman possess the eight supernatural powers (ashtamahasiddhis)[17] and can give one access to Ashta Siddhis.

    Usage in Vajrayana Buddhism[edit]
    In Tantric Buddhism, siddhi specifically refers to the acquisition of supernatural powers by psychic or magical means or the supposed faculty so acquired. These powers include items such as clairvoyance, levitation, bilocation, becoming as small as an atom, materialization, having access to memories from past lives. The term is also used in this sense in the Sarva-darśana-saṃgraha of Madhvacharya (1238–1317).
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Re: The Supernatural Powers (siddhis)
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2014, 10:25:59 PM »
I hadn't looked at your post closely. I'll study it further. But thanks for putting it up. But it's good to compare the two lists. And it would be good to hear from the arahants as to what supernatural powers they possess.

Here's the link to your thread,"Totality of Charismatic Body and Phenomena:" http://fruitofthecontemplativelife.org/forum/index.php/topic,816.msg4223.html#msg4223

Perhaps we should merge the different thread subjects together. I don't how to do this. I'll get Jhananda to explain it to me.

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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2014, 11:13:19 PM »
Note: Each Charismatic sense has a mundane "everyday" manifestation, like how Charismatic Internal Voice has "conscience." But it also has a Siddhi like "Being" and "Union."
I don't get what you mean by this.

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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2014, 03:43:37 AM »
I really hope we can keep building on the list I provided. Just the fact that it's the first time I've ever seen the progression of ability within each faculty is something I've never seen or even thought of before. And that's just my personal experience. Imagine how much everyone else can add? Most of the Siddhi's (and many not mentioned) you listed are contained within the faculties and abilities I mentioned. I just didn't go into detail like the list you provided did, because it could take a long time. With the lack of detail one may not even recognize a Siddhi mentioned in the list you provided.

For example; within the Charismatic External Sense Faculty, there is the "Long Distance Tendrils" which is the ability to feel all inward physical, emotional and spiritual sensations someone else is feeling, regardless of their location. The next stage, "Union", would be the ability to experience everything another individual is experiencing (all the faculties merge progressively as they improve.

And that's to say nothing of the ability of the Cloak/Aura within the same faculty, which provides comfort and pronounced Charismatic Presence abilities (so they interconnect and compliment each other.) If one's attention is laid on the cloak/aura ability, they can "radiate" a particular emotion or though which even the most ignorant will respond to--at least internally and unconsciously. This should be cataloged for those of us who need to keep jobs. Cal JUST mentioned this recently, and may not even be aware that through his affinity for the aura, he is radiating (at an increased potency) an energy that the ignorant will find offensive.

Another one, remote viewing, can be utilized to recollect past lives, or direct the mind to direct knowledge. This is probably the best example of what I'm getting at.

I'm not usually this insistent, but it's important. I know it's important. I will find time to elaborate the list further to show that.
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2014, 03:55:18 AM »
I'm sorry. It needs elaboration. In the most easily interpreted sense;

Identity/Ego=Thoughts
True "self" = Conscience

So everyone has a conscience, even if it barely is heard. Conscience is the most obscure form of "true self". Conscience, which is like a noble inner voice, soon turns into intuition, which is more direct, clear and more often accurate, yet still stifled (by identity and its thoughts.) Then there is Knowing, which is direct and always accurate (this is how I knew what you were up to when I messaged you). So instead of thoughts, we have Knowing. Beyond that is Being, which means there isn't even Knowing. One becomes the Knowing, and is now a CONDUIT for Truth. Instead of the conditioned self we have been working to overcome, we are now the Conduit of Truth. The identity will throw up thoughts here and there rarely, but we are the Conduit (which isn't a self either). This is why there are the sayings "Being Dhamma". "Union", the last phase, would be complete "identification" with this Dhamma. Knowing and Being has suggested  there is still thoughts, but they carry no power, no "suction", whatsoever, unlike the rare times that they do in Being. Does that make sense?

You know the two voices that Eckhart was talking about? That's basically what we're talking about. But his experience, the first one, shows a very low level of this phenomena. That "I hate myself" he was talking about is basically the tainted conscience and conditioned self merging in battle.

Again, I am sorry I didn't explain all this further. Every ability or Siddhi I listed has deep explanation and various qualities. I had to get going, and needed to post it. For some reason, it needed to be posted.

I know nothing of charismatic smell, or taste. And no experience of the final state of faculties which is "Union." But that doesn't mean one can't Know what the final state of Union is like.
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Re: The Supernatural Powers (siddhis)
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2014, 01:44:14 PM »
Thank-you, Michel, posting this wiki quote on the siddhis.  Please note that I merged the 2 topics upon agreed request.

All religions have their miracles, and those miracles are often expressed a material supernpormal phenomena; however, in most cases they are not physical, but spiritual. For instance the first five of the eight primary siddhis in Hinduism eight siddhis (Ashta Siddhi) are all common OOBE phenomena.

•   Aṇimā: reducing one's body even to the size of an atom
•   Mahima: expanding one's body to an infinitely large size
•   Garima: becoming infinitely heavy
•   Laghima: becoming almost weightless
•   Prāpti: having unrestricted access to all places
•   manaḥ-javah: Moving the (astral) body wherever thought goes (teleportation/astral projection)
•   kāma-rūpam: Assuming any form desired
•   para-kāya praveśanam: Entering the bodies of others
•   devānām saha krīḍā anudarśanam: Witnessing and participating in the pastimes of the gods

The next collection are for fools who think they have some attainment:

•   Prākāmya: realizing whatever one desires
•   Iṣṭva: possessing absolute lordship
•   Vaśtva: the power to subjugate all[12]
2.   advandvam: tolerance of heat, cold and other dualities
4.   agni arka ambu viṣa ādīnām pratiṣṭambhaḥ: checking the influence of fire, sun, water, poison, and so on
5.   aparājayah: remaining unconquered by others[13]
•   sva-chanda mṛtyuh: Dying when one desires
•   yathā sańkalpa saḿsiddhiḥ: Perfect accomplishment of one's determination
•   ājñā apratihatā gatiḥ: Orders or commands being unimpeded [14]

Next are remote viewing related:

1.   tri-kāla-jñatvam: knowing the past, present and future
3.   para citta ādi abhijñatā: knowing the minds of others and so on
•   dūra-śravaṇa: Hearing things far away
•   dūra-darśanam: Seeing things far away

The product of equanimity:

•   anūrmi-mattvam: Being undisturbed by hunger, thirst, and other bodily appetites
6.   Aadhyaatmik dukkh-haan: freedom from pain, disappointment, etc. that may arise due to lack of spiritual, metaphysical, mystic knowledge and experience,
7.   Aadhibhautik dukkh-haan: freedom from pain etc. arising from possessing and being attached to various materialistic gains,
8.   Aadhidaivik dukkh-haan: freedom from pain etc. caused by fate or due to reliance on fate.
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2014, 03:04:52 PM »
Thank you for merging them Jhananda. I must have skipped over the middle list you criticized. I don't know whether to laugh or cry about it, now having seen it.

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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2014, 05:52:09 PM »
Charismatic smell

One night I went into a meditation and wanted to produce oxygen in the room, the room was stale.

During the meditation I sort of got lost came back realised where I was again and then noticed that the air in the room was fresh smelling.

Another time I was in a meditation came across a person from the good old days and then noticed the smell of roses in the room.

If I suddenly smell cigar smoke I thing someone I don't want to meet is around.

Charismatic taste

I have been thinking about a person or a time and place and suddenly get the taste of beef and gravy or something like that.

Charismatic knowing
I don't think this takes place in "Time" because in time, time passes and we forget things, that is called memory. Knowing is just knowing.

In some of my meditations I set a timer say for an hour and in what feels like 2 minutes the timer will ring making me wonder what has happened to the hour?

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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2014, 06:27:54 PM »
Thanks for the input about smell and taste Valdy and Cal.

Valdy, it sounds like charismatic smell and taste are like hearing and all the other faculties then? For example, at lower levels, we will first smell worldly-type smells (just like charismatic hearing is only ringing), but soon it becomes transcendent (like hearing ominous voices).
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2014, 03:14:18 AM »
In Arabic and Persian mysticism they emphasize the arising of charasmatic smell, which is commonly roses. So interesting Valdy.  In Hinduism there are some references to charismatic smell.  There it is sandalwood.
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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2014, 08:15:04 AM »
In Arabic and Persian mysticism they emphasize the arising of charasmatic smell, which is commonly roses. So interesting Valdy.  In Hinduism there are some references to charismatic smell.  There it is sandalwood.

This seems to indicate the conditioned affinity of the intellect perceiving the phenomena. This was mentioned by you elsewhere in regards to the first vivid 5th samadhi experience I catalogued in the mystical experiences records. Essentially, you were explaining how I saw a couch in the upper realms. Lol! It's just funny I saw a couch up there my first time.

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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2014, 12:05:13 PM »
Yes, we tend to interpret our experience while in an OOBE.  As we rise higher in the spiritual domains, then there is less interpretation going on, so the experience becomes simpler until it is just light, beings and knowing.
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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2014, 03:43:13 PM »
Yes, we tend to interpret our experience while in an OOBE.  As we rise higher in the spiritual domains, then there is less interpretation going on, so the experience becomes simpler until it is just light, beings and knowing.

This is good of you to share, Jhananda. Thank you. To me, it shows how the abilities in each faculty correspond with absorptive states. As you described "knowing" has been what I meant. Is it possible to tap into knowing during waking life? In my experience , it's just just like a subtler, more constant version of the revelatory insight experienced often during kundalini/awakenings. I've had entire days where I was so absorbed in that faculty that what I am calling "being" makes it so I don't even see how I acquired the knowledge to say what I did, because the intellect appears to be very quiet or used little--for lack of term. When I go back to look at some writing from such a day, for example. Valdy says knowing isn't within time, and this would explain how entire 12 hours will just disappear in what feels like the sun is setting faster, and yet it's timeless in quality. Am I off my rocker?

Basically, I'm trying to confirm how I see all this phenomena interconnects right now, and that there isn't errors on my part.