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PeacefulDodo

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Hello to a wonderful community
« on: July 03, 2015, 12:57:22 PM »
Greetings all, thank you for receiving me and letting me post on here.

My name is Leigh St John Hollis and I currently reside in Cornwall, England and I am 25.  I find myself back in this lovely part of the world after completing my degree. ”.  I have had an interest from a young age about what happens after death, the proper way to live life and other questions of that nature, I was lucky to have a lot of my own time and space growing up as a young kid and teenager and would often sit reflecting on the nature of things.
 My main interests are the mind, thought, human suffering and connecting with the divine as such I ended up writing my dissertation on “An exploration into whether mindfulness meditation can increase academic performance in University students through the reduction of the symptoms of stress, anxiety and depression
An inspiration for this other than my natural inclinations was that the vast majority of my peers at university seemed to be suffering from some form of deep depression, social anxiety which they haven’t experienced before university (normally triggered by excess use of Marijuana) or were just so stressed that they were finding it difficult to function. 
All of this in what was advertised to be a joyous and wonderful experience to us, I certainly found it to be so but I would say about 70% of my peers seemed to be suffering greatly.  None of them had any mental training and would often complain of not being able to sleep at night due to excess thought, I would let people know at any opportunity that this does not have to be the way and suffering is a choice and I was able to help out a number of people which was nice.  In turn I got to learn about what they were going through and what they thought was causing the issues, almost always it came back to thought about things that they identified with.

I have been meditating every day now for around 3 years and reading about esoteric or occult topics since I was 18, the catalyst was when my father got terminally ill and subsequently died 2 years later from a form of cancer, this time period also included losing a grandma, a friend at my local football (soccer ) team and having to move from my dream house of my childhood.  All in all it was a difficult time for my family and despite maintaining a base of positive thinking it may have resulted in me suppressing emotions as the culture over here is very much that “real men” don’t cry, something I have since learnt to be a ridiculous notion and now I feel much more emotionally open, in part thank you to my girlfriend who I met at university. 

I started off playing around doing 10 minutes a day for the first year of university, exploring lots of different paths and ultimately trying to find a sense of identity, I remember thinking “I must have been native American in a previous life, looking at how they live their life in a peaceful and free manner it makes sense to me” in a society which made very little sense to me.  Despite the lack of conviction in my meditations I would still experience blissful waves now and again but was essentially fumbling round in the dark.

 Near the end of the first year of uni I picked up a wonderful tome on Kriya yoga, and started practicing diligently for about a year and a half and enjoyed some altered states of consciousness and overall better physical and mental wellbeing but I found the practice cumbersome as there were around 15 different techniques used in each session.

I read about concentration meditation and the jhanas online last August whilst in Malaysia to see my girlfriend and found it made a lot more sense to me, immediately I dropped my kriya yoga practice and started picking up concentration meditation, I feel this is where the majority of my progress has come from combined with insight practice mostly based upon the writings of Nisargadatta Maharaj.  Focusing on the sense of I am, and slowly dropping identifications with thoughts, the body and various other things that one becomes attached to throughout one’s life, to the point where I am left fairly naked and bare and am very unsure about anything now, including all knowledge I thought I had of various things.  I recognise now I know nothing about my own nature of that of the world, but that stance has left the mind a lot freer and quieter, aided by the practice of concentration. 
I have been experiencing various states of bliss as a result of the practice of concentration but im not at the point where I can enter 1st jhana every time, im not even sure if what im thinking of as 1st jhana is the 1st as descriptions seem to vary.  It is like the peak of orgasm spread over the whole body for around 15 minutes or for however long it can be maintained, it feels as if there is mental and physical bliss although the physical is the most dominant, I have slipped into emotional joy a few times to the point of having an extreme sense of gratitude ( I remember thinking at the time “this feels like the fruit of every bit of meditation I have ever done coming to fruition” rather intense and wonderful.   When concentration on the object is fairly continuous I feel warmth,  and physical bliss arising from the depths of my being, I then switch focus onto this observing it and allow it to wax and wane as it will until it spills over into what I am currently calling 1st jhana.  This is a result of concentration but if anyone would like to correct me I am here for advice, as there seem to be many skilled meditators here.  The meditation “experts” that I have spoken to around here still seem very identified with their body’s and thoughts making them suffer, intuition and instinct told me that these were not people I wanted to learn from, a sentiment echoed on this website.

I also recently had an experience of what I would describe as unity which was by far and away the most intense but wonderful thing I have ever felt.  My friend put a random video of angels singing slowed 800% on YouTube and it sent me instantly into a state of focus on the beauty of it, I couldn’t talk and warm tears streamed down my face, the sensation was that of all barriers of separation being removed and becoming one with all ( sounds cliché ).  It was accompanied by an extreme sensation of bliss and it felt as if when I breathed the cosmos was inside my heart, breathing in union.  It was a difficult experience to describe but it has stuck with me and the sense of my identity has been stripped away at some level, although of course the “personality” is still there and has to be to function in the world. 

My current goal is to try and enter into 1st jhana in every meditation session and I would say I probably have about a 20% success rate at the moment, although I try not to strive upon begging my sit I simply bring my focus back to the anchor of the breath.  Conceptualizing the object of meditation as an anchor as seen on here has helped.   I find generally my focus is pretty good, thoughts that do arise tend to get cut off at the first thought and are not followed through and allowed to spawn infinite more thoughts; they are in the background, wispy and thin.  I have been developing a much quieter mind whilst walking around as well, playing more of an observatory role instead of always thinking, of course sometimes the mind is racing, replaying past events etc but I find I am far less attached and identified with these now so they tend to slip away rather quickly.   I am cutting out masturbation, am becoming a stricter vegetarian to try and aid this goal, and it is the natural path anyway when I listen to my intuition. 

I should mention as well that there is a constant high pitched noise that pervades my awareness at all times  which seems to grow louder when meditating, this is often accompanied by a lower pitched Hum or roar as well.  I have briefly experimented with this as a meditation object but someone has told me that it is focusing on the “earth” element where as the breath is the “wind element” and thus harder to transmute, and I do find the breath easier to gain one pointedness with. 

My degree is in Education Studies and I would like to try and implement mindfulness into schools as there is a wealth of science and study to back up the efficacy of it as a form of keeping people mentally healthy.  Something which seems ridiculous to me that we don’t include in schooling, we get taught how to function in society as a peon but not taught how to take control of our mental states. 

A friend of mine was in deep depression last year and I gave him a book by Eckhart tolle about mindfulness and he took the practice on board and is far happier and looks so much healthier now.  His mother is the head teacher of a school and has implemented mindfulness into her school now after having seen how it helped her son.   This is something I would like to try and get nationwide, Im not sure if it is an unrealistic or ego driven goal but I just want people to be free of the illusory mental baggage they carry around as when they get into adulthood it often manifests as excess stress, anxiety or depression. 

Long winded post :D but if anyone has any advice or tips or even clarification of what I am thinking jhana might be that would be wonderful, I must say as I type this I have a lovely sensation in my heart area, so I feel finding this community was a rather wonderful gift!  I look forward to conversing with you all 

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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2015, 01:09:45 PM »
Welcome to this small community. You can look through the case history section and read through others experiences.
You can also look at this website created by Jhananda.

http://www.greatwesternvehicle.org/

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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2015, 04:39:12 PM »
Welcome Leigh, I noticed you when you joined the 1st. Welcome to the GWV. :)
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2015, 04:48:18 PM »
Thank you for your kind welcomes.  Really enjoying reading the logs of peoples experiences, it is both bhakti increasing and insightful at the same time, it feels like like minded people have really centered around this small but lovely community

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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2015, 05:40:18 PM »
Welcome to the forum Leigh. I hope you find what your looking for. :-)

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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2015, 07:41:16 PM »
I am mostly looking for direction from those more experienced than i, as a newbie to this i feel it is important to have a level of guidence as it can make the process far more efficient.  I have met many people who meditate down here but no one them fufilled what i was looking for, basically experience of deep states of meditation.  Also just being able to talk about this kind of stuff with like minded people is nice as very few people from my part of the world care, although that can probably said about most places.

As such i will post most of this info in the case historys section as i probably put this post in the wrong place.

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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2015, 08:30:31 AM »
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My main interests are the mind, thought, human suffering and connecting with the divine as such I ended up writing my dissertation on “An exploration into whether mindfulness meditation can increase academic performance in University students through the reduction of the symptoms of stress, anxiety and depression
An inspiration for this other than my natural inclinations was that the vast majority of my peers at university seemed to be suffering from some form of deep depression, social anxiety which they haven’t experienced before university (normally triggered by excess use of Marijuana) or were just so stressed that they were finding it difficult to function. 
All of this in what was advertised to be a joyous and wonderful experience to us, I certainly found it to be so but I would say about 70% of my peers seemed to be suffering greatly.  None of them had any mental training and would often complain of not being able to sleep at night due to excess thought, I would let people know at any opportunity that this does not have to be the way and suffering is a choice and I was able to help out a number of people which was nice.  In turn I got to learn about what they were going through and what they thought was causing the issues, almost always it came back to thought about things that they identified with.

There are other forms of help available like nutrition for those issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIzK5Of-2FQ

http://www.star2.com/health/happiness/2015/07/03/you-can-improve-your-mood-with-blackcurrant-juice/

You might want to take a look at them and see if this helps.

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I read about concentration meditation and the jhanas online last August whilst in Malaysia to see my girlfriend and found it made a lot more sense to me, immediately I dropped my kriya yoga practice and started picking up concentration meditation, I feel this is where the majority of my progress has come from combined with insight practice mostly based upon the writings of Nisargadatta Maharaj.  Focusing on the sense of I am, and slowly dropping identifications with thoughts, the body and various other things that one becomes attached to throughout one’s life, to the point where I am left fairly naked and bare and am very unsure about anything now, including all knowledge I thought I had of various things.  I recognise now I know nothing about my own nature of that of the world, but that stance has left the mind a lot freer and quieter, aided by the practice of concentration. 
I have been experiencing various states of bliss as a result of the practice of concentration but im not at the point where I can enter 1st jhana every time, im not even sure if what im thinking of as 1st jhana is the 1st as descriptions seem to vary.  It is like the peak of orgasm spread over the whole body for around 15 minutes or for however long it can be maintained, it feels as if there is mental and physical bliss although the physical is the most dominant, I have slipped into emotional joy a few times to the point of having an extreme sense of gratitude ( I remember thinking at the time “this feels like the fruit of every bit of meditation I have ever done coming to fruition” rather intense and wonderful.   When concentration on the object is fairly continuous I feel warmth,  and physical bliss arising from the depths of my being, I then switch focus onto this observing it and allow it to wax and wane as it will until it spills over into what I am currently calling 1st jhana.  This is a result of concentration but if anyone would like to correct me I am here for advice, as there seem to be many skilled meditators here.  The meditation “experts” that I have spoken to around here still seem very identified with their body’s and thoughts making them suffer, intuition and instinct told me that these were not people I wanted to learn from, a sentiment echoed on this website.

The first jhana is usually like pleasure which is not borne of external stimulus. What you have wrote about the more intense pleasure sounds more like the second jhana.

http://www.greatwesternvehicle.org/ecstaticbuddhism.htm

I have posted the link above for you to further understand jhana. I don't quite understand what you meant by concentration meditation. What are the process?


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I should mention as well that there is a constant high pitched noise that pervades my awareness at all times  which seems to grow louder when meditating, this is often accompanied by a lower pitched Hum or roar as well.  I have briefly experimented with this as a meditation object but someone has told me that it is focusing on the “earth” element where as the breath is the “wind element” and thus harder to transmute, and I do find the breath easier to gain one pointedness with. 

http://www.greatwesternvehicle.org/clairaudience.htm

http://fruitofthecontemplativelife.org/forum/index.php/board,5.0.html?PHPSESSID=84e19890dac2a8b53a32817de818db49

Here is another post with regards to the constant ringing or high pitched noise.

Hope all these helps you to understand what has been going on with you. It seems that you have some achievements in your meditation practice. Do keep it up. Cheers
« Last Edit: July 04, 2015, 08:48:05 AM by gandarloda »

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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2015, 05:02:09 PM »
As Sam says, you have attainment in your meditation practice. Great work! You saw through all the so-called meditation masters, who see the practice as the end in itself, but not as a means to obtaining any fruit.

The blissful and joyful feelings are the "pitti" and "sukkha" described by the Buddha. They are generally associated with the 1st jhana. Those feelings tend to emerge after a personal, spiritual transformation, and the opening of the heart. Those feelings become saturated and magnify themselves if you deepen your meditation practice.

The ringing/chirping sound you're hearing is the sound charism. It usually appears alongside the 2nd jhana (the still mind) or the 3rd jhana (the silent mind). So, even if you say you do not have mastery of your mind, it sounds like you have experienced 2nd or 3rd jhana attainment.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2015, 05:04:06 PM »
You may or may not be aware, Leigh, of the great contemplative video series Jeffrey posted on Youtube, which was originally how I discovered the GWV: https://www.youtube.com/user/Jhananda/videos?sort=da&view=0&flow=grid
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2015, 07:33:06 PM »
I apologise for my poor formatting on this response as i am unfamiliar to the workings, so bare with me :D

Thank you for the links guys, i have been checking out Jefferey's videos on this channel, actually i was watching them quite a long time ago before i even knew of this place hah.  Maybe 4 months ago, before i even knew of the GWV and this forum, funny how that works out.   When i say concetration meditation i mean anapanasati, the mindfulness of breathing.  A confusing way to put it my apologies, it is a practice of concentration on the breath though so i thought it was the same thing. 


My confusion is born of varying descriptions that i have heard about jhana, i am apart of a reddit community which is lead by a man who also claims to be pretty attained and who is very knowledgeable of meditation.  Listening to my intuition i really like what he has to say and it mirrors that of Jhanandas's commentarys. 

Up until this point i have taken 1st jhana to be a radically different experience of conciousness from the normal, every day state.  The experience i have been classifying as 1st jhana starts off with the rising of pleasent sensations (there is always a pleasent sensation in my body, like little rumblings of orgasms centered around the heart area and there is almost always the ringing noise as well, although it gets louder during focused meditation)  and then it spills over into what i describe as "the peak of orgasm saturated throughout every bit of the physical body sustained over time, maybe 10-15 mins depending on focus".  Feeling like every nerve is tingling with bliss. 

Process is normally sit > metta to my self > focus on breath (occasional thought pops up but instantly awareness back to the breath in most instances ) > pleasent sensations become less subtle and in the background and start to become not overpowering but very strong > switch focus to these sensations and observe > sensations wax and wane > maintain observation > eventually this boils over into a very powerful full body orgasm type feeling but cooler which is what i am terming as 1st jhana, i may be wrong in this though which is why im seeking clarification and direction, which you guys are providing, thank you.  The boiling over into the incredibly blissful state is when i think, ah this is 1st jhana. 

Im trying to clarify where im at, and what is defined as 1st, 2nd etc.  Which your links help me with thank you :)

The dibba-sota as i think buddhists call it or the ringing in the ears is always present to a degree but amplified say if i am a sat here writing this in a very relaxed state, in which case it is obvious.  When meditating it becomes louder and the roar or hum starts to become obvious as well.  Watching one of Jhananda's videos on it now. 

I am not sure of where i am at the moment, i will keep looking at the buddhas descriptions and comparing them with what i am experiencing.  There is still thought during the bliss, so i dont think its 2nd jhana, often the thoughts relate to the experience happening.  Although i am certainlly no where near a master of the mind and would never claim to be my internal space is far less pervaded by thoughts than a even a year ago, there is much more quiet in the mind and far less attachment to any thoughts that do arise, when they come they are often recognised and awareness is brought back to the present.  I would say i think probably 80% less than i used to, but there is still quite alot of thought when walking round for instance, but i am getting better at dwelling in that quiet state of mind and just observing.  When meditating there is a thought every 10 seconds or so, again though its let go of pretty quickly.

Thank you guys for your replys and links, very helpful.  Unwrapping the mysteries of the mind and its various states and how that affects your perspective on the world is a wonderful thing.  Finally something that makes sense in this world of chaos.  Despite the suffering and potential misery in the world i must say i am very content, view life as a gift and i feel this practice is empowering and it has given me alot of self confidence and belief in my self as a being, where as before doubt racked the mind and there was little self confidence despite an outward apperance of it.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2015, 07:39:53 PM by Leigh St John Hollis »

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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2015, 02:06:43 PM »
Hey man. Good to read your introduction, I thought it was interesting.  I agree, exploring the mind and seeing how its various states affect your perspective on the world is very neat.  Hope to read some cool posts by you in the future!
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2015, 05:05:24 PM »
Hey Jay, thank you for the warm welcome.  Read some interesting posts by you i must say.

Since finding this forum and upping the intensity of my meditations i seem to be able to enter into what i term as 1st jhana rather easily, it took me only around 10 seconds yesterday and 2 mins today.  The focus seems instant and the relaxation as well, and pleasurable sensations start arising from the depths.  Again im not sure if what im talking about is indeed 1st jhana but i will keep focusing and practicing and trying to figure it all out

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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2015, 03:47:06 AM »
Try not to over-think it.  I found a big eye opener for me was realizing I already experienced these states of consciousness before, but just as a child.  As I got older, I forget and got distracted.  As a child I never bothered to label the experience, it just was what it was.  I assumed everyone did it, and I am sure they did in one form or another.

Beginner mind, say the Buddhists?  Beyond this or that?  Many times you don't know what you experience till afterwards, when you hear or read something, and connections occur in your brain and you realize you had that experience. 

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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2015, 08:12:19 PM »
Welcome, Leigh, to the Fruit of the Contemplative Life Forum.  I have been camping for over a week now, and plan to continue doing so through the summer, so I am not likely to be available much. 

It does sound like you have found some fruit in your contemplative life, so keep it up.  Do keep in mind that stilling the mind is the doorway to the fruit, so keep that up.  It is also the salient aspect of the second jhana.

Just a suggestion, if you are using your real name on this forum, then I highly suggest that you change it to pseudonym, and employers tend to search the web for your name and email address to see what you are up to.  Because, many people still erroneously believe that deep meditation, and its fruit is over-the-top-wacky.

Thank-you to the senior members here for picking up the slack while I am on solo wilderness retreat.
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2015, 08:52:23 PM »
Thank you Jhananda, everyone has been very welcoming and helpful on this forum and it has helped me deepen my practice.

The stilling of the mind is certainlly something that i try and incorporate outside of meditation as well, in every day life, even if it's something simple like walking the dog. I have taken your advice and changed my name although i couldn't think of anything particularly good hah. 

This forum provides continued motivation and insight for practice, it is a very helpful tool so thank you for setting it up.  I hope you have less trouble with those people and you enjoy your camping :)