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« on: July 08, 2016, 03:57:36 PM »
Hello everyone,

My name is Aron, but this is a pseudonym to keep my identity hidden. I am from Australia. I have been watching the GWV and this forum since November 2015 and it is great to finally be a member and introduce myself.

If I recall correctly my first experience with jhana came at the age of 15. It was during the school holidays/break where I had a large amount of free alone time at home. I can't remember how it happened or the progression to it happening, but I do remember just staring out into a void and then the fourth jhana arose. In Jhananda's videos he describes it as a crown being placed on your head or a gaping hole. I would agree, but in the past I have described it to others as your mind feels like a closed flower that is filled with the weight of the world, but then it blooms and there is a sweet release; as if my sins rolled off my head like rain drops falling off the blooming flower. When it was over, a large amount of time had passed without me knowing and this world felt different, like there was less to worry about. I made a vow that I would live a normal life, similar to everyone else's - this included a romantic relationship which I was already in - but be on the look out for others and a teacher, and if that normal life that I had built crumbled, then I would investigate the experience further. Foolishly, I thought this experience was a normal part of everyones life that's why people went on holidays and getaways LOL.

When I changed schools I met someone who I believed to have experienced the same thing as me but through marijuana. We spoke vaguely of the experience, but I assumed he did as we were very similar in our thoughts and interests. I eventually began experimenting with marijuana to see if I could induce a religious experience, but this just led to suffering and the ending of my romantic relationship on my 20th birthday after 4.5 years. I was now a single university student with a marijuana dependency, due to the amount I was taking. I was angry, depressed and lost.

Months went by, and I read many books on philosophy and religion, particularly eastern such as Taoism and Buddhism. I renounced everything, but I did not understand the magnitude of this. I remembered my teenage years experience and began to sit again for 30 minutes in the morning and night, although I was still abusing marijuana and thinking it would benefit my practice. That same friend recommended I purchase a watch as well. During this period of practice I would wake up and lay in bed on my back and stare at nothing or the sky, trying to induce the fourth jhana jhana. Then I would I would go outside and sit in meditation. One day I awoke and during my stare I felt a surge of energy rise from the bottom of my feet to my heart - it felt like it was pierced, but then just as soon hardened, nonetheless, joy and bliss saturated my being for days. It felt like I was being baptized and new life was given to me. My bones felt like raw energy was coursing through them during this rise and my body could not lay still. During this period of meditation I experienced what seemed to be a vision during my sleep cycle. Also during my sleep cycle I dreamed of a blinding light and a voice telling me "you are the pharoah" - but I suspect the marijuana was the cause of the voice, as I heard a voice tell me "I did not have to be here" when smoking it. That marijuana I smoked was different from any marijuana I had before, I believe it was laced with some type of stimulant; as it was full of tiny crystals and of a bright light green colour. This is what I believe caused the hallucinations as I have never had hallucinations before or after the drug had been in my system until I got that batch.

I decided to dramatically change my life, I left university and got a job at a liquor store. I was trying to quit the marijuana but my dependence was too strong. Eventually I stopped for one week, but the pain was too much and I decided I would get a small amount and wean myself off. I knew this was a mistake but I didn't see any harm in it. My meditation was getting deeper and I reached the second jhana - this was so painful as I remembered all the horrible things I had done to others, especially the ones I loved. I sat with it for a few days or weeks, time was a blur during this period. My practice was still the same time length but I was saturated throughout this whole period of practice (day and night).

I went to see my drug dealer for the last time and he invited me to what I think was his safe house.  I drove there and looked at the sun, it was huge, the largest i have ever seen it. He was waiting outside the property and then lured me over the threshold to his property. I got out of the car and could see his aura, it was red and he looked different. He made a proposition to join them in exchange for money, drugs and property such as cars and houses. I declined and he got angry. I felt weak and sat on the bonnet of the car. I tried to be friendly but could sense he was getting angrier, then i left but on what seemed good terms. That night my friend who originally introduced me to marijuana picked me up and told me "I have to get out because I'm losing grip of reality." He took me to the casino and offered me women and i declined, he then offered me coffee and cigarettes and I declined. We left the casino and on the drive home he asked if i hated him and I said "no, why would I hate you," as i did not understand what was happening. I don't remember going home though.

Once again I awoke and stared at the sky and clouds while laying in bed. This time when experiencing the fourth jhana, I hallucinated red and instead of my mind blooming like a flower it felt like something was blocking it from opening and all I felt was pain; but i was fearless at this time, laughing and saying to it "bring it on". I came back to normal awareness later in the afternoon and my mind was filled with pain - i ate then went to bed. I couldn't understand what was happening, or why it was different. A few days passed and then it was Monday. I woke up and received a text message from my drug dealer telling me he had more of that same marijuana. I then experienced psychotic symptoms and called my parents for help. I was taken to the hospital and drugged further by the medical staff, then persuaded to admit myself into a psychiatric ward. I do not remember signing any papers either, but I still have to investigate this.

My first day in the psychiatric ward I met a lady who was pregnant, she was introduced to me and then I went to my room. Soon it was time to eat, I was the first to the cafeteria. I sat patiently until I was called to the window for my tray of food. When I returned to my seat, the pregnant lady I previously met was sitting in my seat, I didn't say anything and sat elsewhere. I returned to my room after eating and soon heard the lady talking to one of the staff, she said she felt happiness but it was gone and was asking for them to give her something to level herself out - at the time of her happiness she seemed ecstatic and without illness. I saw this pregnant lady as the nightmarish outcome of my romantic relationship; my lust - she even had the same name as my ex-partner. I was in the hospital for 2 weeks, and this was literally hell and I was tormented by one of the patients, but I will not tell how. The more time I spent there the more time it felt my mind was playing tricks on me. For example, I would have a long shower then when it would be group activity time where there was a obese lady telling everyone how she loved long showers, which I was thinking while in the shower; I saw this as my gluttony. I wanted out of that place and pleaded with them, I held back my anger and frustration as they would not let me out, soon after an elderly man came near me and started screaming to let him out and he said what I was thinking; I saw this as my wrath. I remember one lady used to get dressed up whenever she left her room; I saw this as pride. When I was discharged a man who I met came up to me with envy in his eyes, but he was harmless, I think he wanted me to take him with me. He was middle aged and smoked marijuana, he still lived with his family; this was sloth. One day I sat in the open area and it was complete madness in the place, everything was so loud, I picked up the book on buddhism and began reading, eventually everyone left to go to their rooms and it was quiet.

When i was released from the psychiatric ward my dad took me to the shops even though i felt uncomfortable. I sat in a store then a tornado hit the shopping center. I thought this was strange because we don't get tornadoes in Sydney, but my dad told me to ignore it - http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/hornsby-tornado-nothing-mini-about-it-20131119-2xsk4.html

I was meant to be in the ward for 1 month, but got out in 2 weeks as I had convinced them I was "normal". I was put on medication for a minimum of 1 year and had to see them every week; it felt like I wasn't given a choice or informed about any of this, but I sat with it. When I returned home from the hospital I was scared and confused. Scared of that hell hole and what horrors exist on this plane. My mind was filled with agitation and paranoia, but I felt somewhat safe at home. My father gave me two books to read, one was titled “The Heroes of Olympus - The House of Hades”, which I read while I was in the hospital and felt a portion of my self return which allowed me to convince the staff to let me out. The next book I read when I was at home, it was titled – “In Great Spirits”. The book was about the war and the final chapter told the story of how the main character returned home. When I finished reading it, it was as if I had strengthen my mind or a part of my self was back. I had strength and began cleaning out my room and all my past possessions from 5 years. I burnt my ex-girlfriends letters and photos – when I accidentally inhaled the smoke I felt my something like my soul being slightly displaced from my body. After burning some possessions I thought I would return to normal but something was still causing significant agitation and paranoia. I lay on the couch closing my eyes and there was a figure in the black made of red reaching for me, I went upstairs and moved my clothes off my bed and the figure went away. I had dreams that part of my soul was captured somewhere by demons. Eventually I remembered I had the watch that the friend had told me to buy, i smashed it in the sunlight and removed the battery. I felt my heart be released from the aforementioned hardened state during the rising of energy and my paranoia and significant agitation leave. That night I dreamed I was in a house with two demons and they were holding others there but I could not get to them, the window was behind me so I opened it and escaped. Since then I have been cautious of the possessions I keep, only the essentials and a few luxury items such as a computer and games.

The psychiatrist diagnosed me with a drug-induced psychosis and said I might be bipolar or schizophrenic. For some time I did display symptoms, but after the watch was smashed I displayed no symptoms of any mental illness but was told I had to be medicated for at least one year in case I relapsed. I did not want to be medicated, but I listened to what my parents told me as they had just caught me doing drugs and bailed me out lol.

One year passed, it was the start of 2015 and the day after my birthday I was taken off the medication - when told the news i felt a warmth in my chest. I had experienced withdrawals for a few weeks but after that I was OK. When on this medication I could not meditate or access jhana. I also returned to university as I did not know what else to do and needed time to make sense of everything.

Eventually November 2015 came around and I had finished another year of university so I decided to treat myself and go to a Buddhist meditation retreat where I would sit and see if there were others like me. The retreat was 4 days and 3 nights, noble silence was observed, which was nice for me as I don't like talking that much, but others tried to get me to talk. I experienced the first jhana within the first night, felt my aura and for the rest of the retreat there was a constant dialogue. I remember contemplating what was reality and reflecting on the maddening of my mind. Around the middle of the year I injured my sciatic nerve and it was slowly healing, during meditation I could feel the pain decrease as well as the nerve healing. I met with a monk for a consultation hoping to gain some information about my past experience and what was currently happening. I told the monk my mind was talking a lot and the monk said I had a weak mind and the point was to calm it down. I was confused by our conversation and was hoping for more information as to what was happening. But I did not say anything and sat with it until it was time to go home. A middle aged man befriended me at the start of the retreat, I noticed in the middle of the retreat he looked distressed, until then he did not speak, after he began to speak - I suspect he was going through the madness as well. Throughout the retreat a young girl was very vocal about her thoughts and it sounded like she was going through the same madness. I remained silent as I knew it would probably end badly for me. I was hoping the retreat and temple would be a refuge for me but sadly it was just another place I had been to. It was time to leave the retreat and everyone seemed very happy with their experience. It was time to share something that we learned during our time there, when it was my turn I rubbed the middle of my palms out of anxiety and said I would adopt the 5 precepts - which I had been working on already. When I got home I stopped practice but the internal dialogue kept going and eventually my mind became still, but just as soon as it came it went back to the dialogue. I searched "meditation induced psychosis" and found Jhananda's video series on the spiritual crisis. I decided to go back on medication for 3 months and investigate further, as I did not know what to believe. Once again withdrawals occurred but I just sat with it knowing it would pass.

To go back on medication I had to go back to the psychiatrist and she thought I was having a psychosis and was crazy when I told her my mind was still and that I thought I was having a religious experience – she was not interested in it at all, even when I told her that it happened when I was younger. I think it was the first week of medication that my forehead started burning and felt strange. Once I finished the three months of medication and realised she wasn't interested I asked to leave the support program and they said yes. For the most part when someone has wronged me I have just turned my cheek and accepted it.

Once I was back on the medication another tornado hit - http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/sydney-weather-tornado-warning-issued-for-city-20151215-glom16.html

When i got off the medication the sky would turn a purple pink colour - as seen in the attached image. This has happened a lot recently and has coincided with me being on and off again sick due to me messing around with my body through diet and supplements (I was in the hospital twice).

That is my meditation experiences to date and I will not begin practice until I have found a livelihood to maintain a subsistence as well as practice. I feel as though if i sit i will not get up until the deed is done. I still have mental agitation but not like what it was when I was under the influence of drugs. I see my fetters and observe them in myself and others - it is all I see in others. I am in the process of abandoning my craving; I have been celibate since February 2013 and sober since February 2015. But I still crave, I am very lonely as I have slowly isolated myself from friends since 2013, while others have left me. If i thought I could survive in the wild I would leave but I do not have the skills; I am hoping to acquire some wilderness survival skills in the future.

This was my final year at university and I have dropped out as it felt like it would not take me anywhere I wanted to go and I hated it. But at the same time it seems like I need a degree as I do not have any skills and am currently unemployed. I am willing to do any minimum wage job that allows me to practice meditation, and am currently searching but not having much luck. I would appreciate any advice on this? I was thinking that maybe I should do a trade/apprenticeship like carpentry.

Jhananda your work has been an inspiration that has kept me going throughout the last few months, I thank you very much.

And thank you all for reading.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2016, 06:02:07 PM by Aron »

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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2016, 02:47:41 PM »
Welcome Aron. The forum will be quiet for a while as most of the members will be on retreat. Do be patient.

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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2016, 04:53:45 PM »
One year passed, it was the start of 2015 and the day after my birthday I was taken off the medication - when told the news i felt a warmth in my chest. I had experienced withdrawals for a few weeks but after that I was OK. When on this medication I could not meditate or access jhana. 

Hello Aron. Welcome to the forum.

I am curious to to know what medication(s) you were taking? How long were you taking it? What was the dose? How did you taper off? What were the withdrawal symptoms?
« Last Edit: July 11, 2016, 04:55:26 PM by Michel »

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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2016, 01:22:59 AM »
Hello Sam, yes I am very eager to talk to others and patience is something I lack when I do not practice lol.

Hello Michel,

Medications: Olanzapine/zyprexa and Escitalopram/lexapro.
Length: Olanzapine was 1 year and 3 months. Escitalopram was 1 year. Olanzapine (2) the second time 3 months
Dose:
  • Olanzapine - 5mg at admission to ward, 15mg at release, 1-2 weeks after release 20mg. It peaked at 20mg. Towards the end of treatment a low dose of 2.5mg
  • Escitalopram - 10mg throughout the year of treatment
  • Olanzapine (2) - 10mg when return for retreat
Taper:
  • Olanzapine - every one month to three months I would go for a review and when no symptoms had re-emerged then they would decrease the dose by 5mg, until it was 2.5mg.
  • Escitalopram no taper - they just told me to stop taking it.
  • Olanzapine (2) - first month it decreased to 5mg, then second month to 2.5mg and that was it for the remainder
Withdrawal symptoms:
    Olanzapine
    • Headache
    • insomnia (i changed my diet to a vegan plant-based diet and slept fine though)
    • vomiting when eating certain foods (oats and soy milk in the morning)
    • itchy scalp as well as pimples on scalp (i suspect this is the body detoxing)
    • mood changes such as getting angry
    • anxiety
    • irritability
    • weight loss
    • nausea
    Escitalopram - nothing that I can remember.
Since going on olanzapine for a long period and a short period; I would have to say that the longer you are on olanzapine, the longer the withdrawal symptoms will be. I don't think the body has time to detoxify itself and the body just stores it until its given time to do so. I believe this negates the idea of tapering off as the body is still getting an amount of the drug and does not have a chance to recover. I noticed no changes or withdrawals when tapering off olanzapine throughout that year.

When telling the psychiatrist about these symptoms I was told to see a doctor as olanzapine does not cause withdrawal symptoms. So i went to a doctor as I had missed some university classes and he told me I had some gastro condition and gave me a prescription for more medication, which I never took. On leaving the doctors he told me that someone from the psychiatrists workplace had called him and told him what had been happening with me - I wonder what else they talked about. The psychiatrists workplace kept calling me telling me I did not have to do it alone and I should take the medication if I need to, but I did not as I believed it would eventually pass and did.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2016, 12:40:42 PM by Aron »

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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2016, 05:19:54 PM »
Thank you, Aron, for your detailed reply.

I've been taking Olanzapine and Lamotrigine to control my bipolar for the last 6 years. My case is rather complicated. I believe the best course course of action is to remain on the meds. I'm in my 60s, and too old to undergo withdrawal. My body would not withstand the strain, especially my heart. However, I am capable of achieving 1st jhana, unlike your case. Maybe this is all that I'm capable of while on the meds?

When telling the psychiatrist about these symptoms I was told to see a doctor as olanzapine does not cause withdrawal symptoms.

This psychiatrist was pathetic. Olanzapine has been around since the mid 1990s, and the withdrawal symptoms are well documented.


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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2016, 02:36:57 AM »
I am sorry to hear that you are unable to cease medication. I hated being medicated, all I wanted from those people was answers and someone to talk to - they provided neither, just drugs.

However, I am capable of achieving 1st jhana, unlike your case. Maybe this is all that I'm capable of while on the meds?

I should say that during my medication period I did not sit in meditation for extended periods as I found my mind could not relax in the same way as when I was not medication. Usually I can stare out at the sky and daydream and find it relaxing, but could not while medicated. Also, during November-December 2015 I was experiencing the stilling of the mind and went back on medication and ceased meditation. Within the first few days I felt the effects of the medication. For the first week I felt a burning on my forehead where the third eye is, and after that week I felt a light scratching. At six weeks I snapped back to some awareness close to normal and wanted off the medication but had to stay on it for 3 months. During those first weeks I was in a good mood due to jhana, but slowly it was going and at six weeks it was gone. However, I did not meditate during this period as I knew it would be over soon so I bared with it. Since I did not meditate deeply during both the times I was medicated, I cannot say whether that is all that is achievable while medicated.

After coming out of hospital in 2013 I looked on the internet for others. I found someone who had a similar experience, but I was not satisfied with his work as there was no path to follow, or details and it was just research from modern sources; theories and not the answers i sought. His work turned into a healing retreat for those who wanted to work through their bipolar:

https://www.youtube.com/c/bipolarorwakingup/videos

Then after coming back from retreat in 2015 I found Jhananda's and was satisfied.

This psychiatrist was pathetic. Olanzapine has been around since the mid 1990s, and the withdrawal symptoms are well documented.

Yes, I believe she was just covering her own interests. I seldom hear on the news of abuse in the psychiatric profession, but always hear of someone with a 'mental illness' hurting others in mass shootings. Those with 'mental illness' are told they are the sick ones, to submit to medication and are dis-empowered. Maybe it is the system that is sick and not the person.

https://www.cchrint.org/2014/11/13/top-10-forms-of-psychiatric-institution-abuse/
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2016, 01:21:01 PM »
Hello everyone,

My name is Aron, but this is a pseudonym to keep my identity hidden. I am from Australia. I have been watching the GWV and this forum since November 2015 and it is great to finally be a member and introduce myself.

Hello, Aron, and welcome to this GWV forum.  It is good to have your case history/blog.  I just got back to town yesterday, so I am just getting caught up on email and social media.

If I recall correctly my first experience with jhana came at the age of 15. It was during the school holidays/break where I had a large amount of free alone time at home. I can't remember how it happened or the progression to it happening, but I do remember just staring out into a void and then the fourth jhana arose. In Jhananda's videos he describes it as a crown being placed on your head or a gaping hole. I would agree, but in the past I have described it to others as your mind feels like a closed flower that is filled with the weight of the world, but then it blooms and there is a sweet release; as if my sins rolled off my head like rain drops falling off the blooming flower. When it was over, a large amount of time had passed without me knowing and this world felt different, like there was less to worry about.

The blooming flower metaphor is common in Hinduistic philosophy, and I find your use of it highly descriptive of my experience of deep meditation.  It would be useful to know how you got into this awakening state, for instance, was this the product of the practice of meditation, or were you under the influence of a drug?

I made a vow that I would live a normal life, similar to everyone else's - this included a romantic relationship which I was already in - but be on the look out for others and a teacher, and if that normal life that I had built crumbled, then I would investigate the experience further.

Having grown up in a culture that was under the heavy influence of the Abrahammic religions I found that I had a number of philosophical influences that needed testing, which took me decades.  Therefore, I can understand your willingness to challenge the veracity of your experience based upon the collective western belief system.  I found with consistent experience in deep meditation that I had to throw out much of the belief systems that were the product of the Abrahammic religions in favor of direct experience.  So, you may have found it necessary to do so as well, or you would not likely have arrived here, or at least stayed and requested posting privileges.

Foolishly, I thought this experience was a normal part of everyones life that's why people went on holidays and getaways LOL.

Yes, I can see this conclusion, especially having it at an early age, as you did.  I am sure by now that you have realized the contrary is true.  We find here that the experience meditation is, on the other hand, rare; however, not unique to only one person in thousands of years.  Instead we find those who experience deep meditation are a tiny percentage of the global population.

Oddly we seem to have a disproportionate representation of Australians here, and considering Ajan Brham lives in Australia, and claims to have the jhana experience, then it would suggest that you all would have joined his sangha and forum.  So, what brings you Assies, who meditate deeply, here instead of there?

When I changed schools I met someone who I believed to have experienced the same thing as me but through marijuana. We spoke vaguely of the experience, but I assumed he did as we were very similar in our thoughts and interests. I eventually began experimenting with marijuana to see if I could induce a religious experience, but this just led to suffering and the ending of my romantic relationship on my 20th birthday after 4.5 years. I was now a single university student with a marijuana dependency, due to the amount I was taking. I was angry, depressed and lost.

Yes, I explored marijuana and various other drugs prior to my 21st birthday, and found dependency upon marijuana reduced my motivation; however, I still argue that marijuana and psychedelics were instrumental in bringing me to the contemplative life; nonetheless, I also found that to deepen my contemplative life I had to leave behind the drug experience.

Months went by, and I read many books on philosophy and religion, particularly eastern such as Taoism and Buddhism. I renounced everything, but I did not understand the magnitude of this. I remembered my teenage years experience and began to sit again for 30 minutes in the morning and night, although I was still abusing marijuana and thinking it would benefit my practice. That same friend recommended I purchase a watch as well. During this period of practice I would wake up and lay in bed on my back and stare at nothing or the sky, trying to induce the fourth jhana jhana. Then I would I would go outside and sit in meditation. One day I awoke and during my stare I felt a surge of energy rise from the bottom of my feet to my heart - it felt like it was pierced, but then just as soon hardened, nonetheless, joy and bliss saturated my being for days. It felt like I was being baptized and new life was given to me. My bones felt like raw energy was coursing through them during this rise and my body could not lay still.

This experience is consistent with my experience, and the experience of others on this forum, so it suggests to me that your experience is valid.

During this period of meditation I experienced what seemed to be a vision during my sleep cycle. Also during my sleep cycle I dreamed of a blinding light and a voice telling me "you are the pharoah" - but I suspect the marijuana was the cause of the voice, as I heard a voice tell me "I did not have to be here" when smoking it. That marijuana I smoked was different from any marijuana I had before, I believe it was laced with some type of stimulant; as it was full of tiny crystals and of a bright light green colour. This is what I believe caused the hallucinations as I have never had hallucinations before or after the drug had been in my system until I got that batch.

I find as a rule, to ignore words that come into the mind, and rely more on direct intuition, which is tested with rigorous critical thinking.  You may find this practice useful to you as well.

I decided to dramatically change my life, I left university and got a job at a liquor store. I was trying to quit the marijuana but my dependence was too strong. Eventually I stopped for one week, but the pain was too much and I decided I would get a small amount and wean myself off. I knew this was a mistake but I didn't see any harm in it. My meditation was getting deeper and I reached the second jhana - this was so painful as I remembered all the horrible things I had done to others, especially the ones I loved. I sat with it for a few days or weeks, time was a blur during this period. My practice was still the same time length but I was saturated throughout this whole period of practice (day and night)...

It sounds like you have traversed through two apposing worlds and found them both delusional.  This is very good work, and you are clearly healing from it, and making excellent progress toward enlightenment.

Around the middle of the year I injured my sciatic nerve and it was slowly healing, during meditation I could feel the pain decrease as well as the nerve healing. I met with the reverend for a consultation hoping to gain some information about my past experience and what was currently happening. I told her my mind was talking a lot and she said I had a weak mind and the point was to calm it down. I was confused by our conversation and was hoping for more information as to what was happening. But I did not say anything and sat with it until it was time to go home. A middle aged man befriended me at the start of the retreat, I noticed in the middle of the retreat he looked distressed, until then he did not speak, after he began to speak - I suspect he was going through the madness as well. Throughout the retreat a young girl was very vocal about her thoughts and it sounded like she was going through the same madness. I remained silent as I knew it would probably end badly for me. I was hoping the retreat and temple would be a refuge for me but sadly it was just another place I had been to. It was time to leave the retreat and everyone seemed very happy with their experience. It was time to share something that we learned during our time there, when it was my turn I rubbed the middle of my palms out of anxiety and said I would adopt the 5 precepts - which I had been working on already. When I got home I stopped practice but the internal dialogue kept going and eventually my mind became still, but just as soon as it came it went back to the dialogue. I searched "meditation induced psychosis" and found Jhananda's video series on the spiritual crisis. I decided to go back on medication for 3 months and investigate further, as I did not know what to believe. Once again withdrawals occurred but I just sat with it knowing it would pass.

To go back on medication I had to go back to the psychiatrist and she thought I was having a psychosis and was crazy when I told her my mind was still and that I thought I was having a religious experience – she was not interested in it at all, even when I told her that it happened when I was younger. I think it was the first week of medication that my forehead started burning and felt strange. Once I finished the three months of medication and realised she wasn't interested I asked to leave the support program and they said yes. For the most part when someone has wronged me I have just turned my cheek and accepted it.

Once I was back on the medication another tornado hit - http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/sydney-weather-tornado-warning-issued-for-city-20151215-glom16.html

When i got off the medication the sky would turn a purple pink colour - as seen in the attached image. This has happened a lot recently and has coincided with me being on and off again sick due to me messing around with my body through diet and supplements (I was in the hospital twice).

Clearly you are seeing that both worlds, that of the drug dealer, and that of the herd are both delusional, and both worlds are using drugs to pull you in.  This is certainly an aspect of one of the stages of the spiritual crisis, which is to realize that the world is delusional.

That is my meditation experiences to date and I will not begin practice until I have found a livelihood to maintain a subsistence as well as practice. I feel as though if i sit i will not get up until the deed is done. I still have mental agitation but not like what it was when I was under the influence of drugs. I see my fetters and observe them in myself and others - it is all I see in others. I am in the process of abandoning my craving; I have been celibate since February 2013 and sober since February 2015. But I still crave, I am very lonely as I have slowly isolated myself from friends since 2013, while others have left me. If i thought I could survive in the wild I would leave but I do not have the skills; I am hoping to acquire some wilderness survival skills in the future.

The psychiatric community wants you to believe that deep mediation is a delusional state, and will use drugs to delude you into their delusional state.  The problem here for you, as I see it, is without deep meditation you are not going to make it through the collective delusions, and addictions.

This was my final year at university and I have dropped out as it felt like it would not take me anywhere I wanted to go and I hated it. But at the same time it seems like I need a degree as I do not have any skills and am currently unemployed. I am willing to do any minimum wage job that allows me to practice meditation, and am currently searching but not having much luck. I would appreciate any advice on this? I was thinking that maybe I should do a trade/apprenticeship like carpentry.

Jhananda your work has been an inspiration that has kept me going throughout the last few months, I thank you very much.

And thank you all for reading.

As much as I value poverty and homelessness as productive for cultivating deep meditation, it nonetheless has its own problems, and find that a career, which generally requires completing university education, and eventually put one into a comfortable position, where one can find the time to dedicate to the contemplative life.  I only urge people these days to do everything that you can to avoid debt, which can lead to the freedom one needs to lead a contemplative life.  I hope that you can indeed find the freedom to dedicate the time and effort one needs to cultivate deep meditation states.
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2016, 12:16:34 PM »
Hello Jhanananda,

The blooming flower metaphor is common in Hinduistic philosophy, and I find your use of it highly descriptive of my experience of deep meditation.  It would be useful to know how you got into this awakening state, for instance, was this the product of the practice of meditation, or were you under the influence of a drug?

That's interesting as I did not know it was a metaphor in Hinduistic philosophy. My mother is Indian and a Hindu, although not devout, and she has never mentioned it even when I told her about my experience. Although, I don't think she likes me practicing meditation and once said "your mind will go somewhere and you will not come back."

As it was so long ago I cannot remember, but it was most likely the result of meditation as I did both that and yoga in small amounts when younger. It was definitely not drugs, at that age I did not have access to them.

I found with consistent experience in deep meditation that I had to throw out much of the belief systems that were the product of the Abrahammic religions in favor of direct experience.  So, you may have found it necessary to do so as well, or you would not likely have arrived here, or at least stayed and requested posting privileges.

From a young age I believed in reincarnation and kamma, but also the idea of a creator God from the Abrahammic religions. Then for a while I was just confused as I looked into many belief systems, but I still had my experiences to guide me. I was also hoping that Buddhism would hold the answers as they still practiced meditation, but when i went to that retreat and returned, I found out I was wrong. Then I came across your videos, particularly the one on the four jhanas and knew instantly I had to find out more. Through further investigated of your work I found the answers I had been searching for; such as the feeling of the rising of the energy as kundalini and if there is a creator God.

Oddly we seem to have a disproportionate representation of Australians here, and considering Ajan Brham lives in Australia, and claims to have the jhana experience, then it would suggest that you all would have joined his sangha and forum.  So, what brings you Assies, who meditate deeply, here instead of there?

I have not looked into his work. But your work is the most authentic I have come across and I thank you for it. Also, it is good to hear there are others here in Australia.

Yes, I explored marijuana and various other drugs prior to my 21st birthday, and found dependency upon marijuana reduced my motivation; however, I still argue that marijuana and psychedelics were instrumental in bringing me to the contemplative life; nonetheless, I also found that to deepen my contemplative life I had to leave behind the drug experience.

Yes, I have also left behind my drug experiences, after my hospitalisation in November 2013 I stopped using marijuana and at the start of 2015 I took up sobriety; as I found my meditation experiences, even at its early stages, was better than any drug. Also, I found marijuana did not lead to communication with the sacred which was my intention.

However, from what I have heard of psychedelics they can have a profound effect on an individual.

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I enjoyed reading this essay. I have two friends at the fourth stage. One of them also had a psychosis where he saw chakras, but he still uses illicit drugs and listens to his psychologists and therapists, so I do not think he will adopt the contemplative life soon. But the other I believe the contemplative life would suit him well.

I find as a rule, to ignore words that come into the mind, and rely more on direct intuition, which is tested with rigorous critical thinking.  You may find this practice useful to you as well.

The words did not come from my inner voice so I suspect it was an auditory hallucination from the drugs. Or is it normal during meditation to hear unknown voices?

Clearly you are seeing that both worlds, that of the drug dealer, and that of the herd are both delusional, and both worlds are using drugs to pull you in.  This is certainly an aspect of one of the stages of the spiritual crisis, which is to realize that the world is delusional.

The psychiatric community wants you to believe that deep mediation is a delusional state, and will use drugs to delude you into their delusional state.  The problem here for you, as I see it, is without deep meditation you are not going to make it through the collective delusions, and addictions.

Yes, when I came back from the retreat and stopped meditation I was filled with fear of the unknown and did not know what to believe – although I knew it was something spiritual. I went back on medication then saw your video detailing the fourth jhana and knew I was right and had made a mistake; I wanted off the medication as soon as possible but had to wait. At March I was discharged from their care, which I am thankful for, and hope I don't see them again. The psychiatric community is probably the biggest threat to my physical and spiritual freedom. I hope to start deep meditation soon once I find a job, which will hopefully be this month, as I don't want to go back to the delusion.

As much as I value poverty and homelessness as productive for cultivating deep meditation, it nonetheless has its own problems, and find that a career, which generally requires completing university education, and eventually put one into a comfortable position, where one can find the time to dedicate to the contemplative life.  I only urge people these days to do everything that you can to avoid debt, which can lead to the freedom one needs to lead a contemplative life.  I hope that you can indeed find the freedom to dedicate the time and effort one needs to cultivate deep meditation states.

You make some good points. Although I left university to hopefully find an occupation that will give me the time to dedicate to a contemplative life as I could not during university. But I am really unsure whether or not I should go back and finish – I may have to if I have no alternative. Thanks for the advice.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2016, 02:19:09 PM »
The problem here for you, as I see it, is without deep meditation you are not going to make it through the collective delusions, and addictions.

You are right and I have decided to begin practice again; starting tonight. I have had the belief that there is only the present moment for a long time now, it is time to start acting like it. Thank you for the guidance.

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« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2016, 12:27:53 PM »
I hope, for your sake, you follow through and reap the reward of a fruitful contemplative life.  Then you will be able to share your fruits with the rest of the world for their benefit.
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2016, 06:29:41 AM »
That first night of practice after my post I hit the first jhana at around 15 minutes, the next day 30 minutes due to position correction and a lot on my mind. Then as the days followed I got a taste of the second jhana and shed a single tear. Last night I lay down in lion's pose and could tell it was definitely the second jhana as there was doubt in my mind before. It felt like there was no reason to count my breath anymore, but I still did. I remember in both 2013 and 2015 panicking with fear of how long the second jhana would last, but now that i know it will pass and equanimity is soon I embrace it and ask for forgiveness while also trying to forgive those that I hold ill-will against.

I have only been sitting for 15-30 minutes 1-3 times a day due to my legs falling asleep. It happened last time during the retreat. Should I just ignore it, is it only a pinched nerve?

Although the jhanas at this stage of practice are not as intense as I would like, it is still pleasant and peaceful. It is also making me more mindful of myself throughout the day instead of ignoring my thoughts and urges I see them directly. Usually I would start my day with an erection and satisfy the urge, but now I lay and count my breath.

I had an interview today for a position as a sales associate, as well as a job offer for a cleaning company. I also sorted out my health insurance. It makes me think I will need a career, but I am still unsure as to whether to go back to university. I have to discuss it with my parents tonight as I am still dependent on them currently. I guess I will know tomorrow.

My body aches with pain; there is fluoride in my bones causing joint pain, a few ulcers in my gastrointestinal tract, a cavity was in my tooth until today and my feet are bruised from running long distances and not recovering properly as well as poor diet. But my body is healing. I scan my body using the pain, the healing and my breath as a meditation object.
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2016, 06:10:20 PM »
That first night of practice after my post I hit the first jhana at around 15 minutes, the next day 30 minutes due to position correction and a lot on my mind. Then as the days followed I got a taste of the second jhana and shed a single tear. Last night I lay down in lion's pose and could tell it was definitely the second jhana as there was doubt in my mind before. It felt like there was no reason to count my breath anymore, but I still did. I remember in both 2013 and 2015 panicking with fear of how long the second jhana would last, but now that i know it will pass and equanimity is soon I embrace it and ask for forgiveness while also trying to forgive those that I hold ill-will against.

Good work.

I have only been sitting for 15-30 minutes 1-3 times a day due to my legs falling asleep. It happened last time during the retreat. Should I just ignore it, is it only a pinched nerve?

I found it worked better for me to correct my sitting posture so that my limbs did not go numb.  This required developing a wedge shaped pillow to sit on that raised my rear enough so that my knees touched the floor.  I also found allowing one limb to rest upon the other during meditation would cause the lower limb to go numb.

Although the jhanas at this stage of practice are not as intense as I would like, it is still pleasant and peaceful. It is also making me more mindful of myself throughout the day instead of ignoring my thoughts and urges I see them directly...

One learns through meditation practice that develops deep meditation, that deep meditation starts at a relatively pleasant and peaceful state, and goes toward profound states.  It does not just start with profound states.  It sounds like you are making excellent progress.

I had an interview today for a position as a sales associate, as well as a job offer for a cleaning company. I also sorted out my health insurance. It makes me think I will need a career, but I am still unsure as to whether to go back to university. I have to discuss it with my parents tonight as I am still dependent on them currently. I guess I will know tomorrow.

My body aches with pain; there is fluoride in my bones causing joint pain, a few ulcers in my gastrointestinal tract, a cavity was in my tooth until today and my feet are bruised from running long distances and not recovering properly as well as poor diet. But my body is healing. I scan my body using the pain, the healing and my breath as a meditation object.

Being pragmatic about the effort one will have to go through to find some peace in the future is wise when one is young, because as we age health tends to decline.
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2016, 05:04:29 AM »
Thank you for the advice and support.

I have been laying in lions pose most nights. Two nights ago I lay, then my leg jolted and I began to relax deeper, it felt as though I was drifting off to sleep. Then suddenly it felt I walked into a room or ocean of something and bathed in it, but it was still my body. I was aware of the outside noises, the winds were calm. My breath was so slow I could not count it anymore, but still tried, this led me to forced breathing and accelerated my heart rate. I could hear a faint whistling but as my breath was being forced I couldn't relax anymore. My awareness felt upfront and in charge, instead of the occasionally interrupting chatter. I stopped meditating after a bit due to frustration as it felt I was grasping at something and was awake for a few hours after that.

The next day I was really out of it, but slowly returned to normal awareness. That night in contemplation the winds were strong, but as I progressed it calm and eventually rained. I slept well.

Today I was in contemplation and have noticed it feels like a switch in awareness; like turning a light on and off, or suddenly walking into a room

When organizing my health insurance the other day I told the truth, but the lady who served me lied for my benefit when registering me. When speaking to another customer service representative, I had to continue to lie in order not to get her in trouble or myself. I knew once I spoke that it was wrong. It led to anxiety the following days. Usually I tell the truth due to my vow of the 5 precepts. I am very upset and worried about this. I discussed it with my father and he said everything will be alright. But I feel I should right my wrong.

Edit: I think this was a spiritual crisis? I felt tingles throughout my body also.

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[The Buddha speaks to his son, Rahula:] "Whenever you want to perform a verbal act, you should reflect on it: 'This verbal act I want to perform — would it lead to self-affliction, to the affliction of others, or to both? Is it an unskillful verbal act, with painful consequences, painful results?' If, on reflection, you know that it would lead to self-affliction, to the affliction of others, or to both; it would be an unskillful verbal act with painful consequences, painful results, then any verbal act of that sort is absolutely unfit for you to do. But if on reflection you know that it would not cause affliction... it would be a skillful verbal action with happy consequences, happy results, then any verbal act of that sort is fit for you to do.

"While you are performing a verbal act, you should reflect on it: 'This verbal act I am doing — is it leading to self-affliction, to the affliction of others, or to both? Is it an unskillful verbal act, with painful consequences, painful results?' If, on reflection, you know that it is leading to self-affliction, to the affliction of others, or to both... you should give it up. But if on reflection you know that it is not... you may continue with it.

"Having performed a verbal act, you should reflect on it... If, on reflection, you know that it led to self-affliction, to the affliction of others, or to both; it was an unskillful verbal act with painful consequences, painful results, then you should confess it, reveal it, lay it open to the Teacher or to a knowledgeable companion in the holy life. Having confessed it... you should exercise restraint in the future. But if on reflection you know that it did not lead to affliction... it was a skillful verbal action with happy consequences, happy results, then you should stay mentally refreshed and joyful, training day and night in skillful mental qualities." - http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/sacca/sacca4/samma-vaca/

Update: 24/7/16 - I dreamed that someone came into my room and started smothering my mouth. I woke up and was biting the air with my head raised off the pillow.
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My third eye feels as though it 'lights up' when I sit/lay in meditation, or am still throughout the day; it is a pleasant cold sensation. Two nights ago, I felt a band being placed around my forehead about 1-2 inches above the third eye. Last night I was trying to sleep and I was just about to fall asleep then I heard a pop and was awake for hours. I woke up early today, having slept what seems only a couple of hours and I am not tired.

I recall when I was young boy I was playing in my backyard and there was a fence on the side of the house. I went to the fence and looked over it, there was a dark figure of a man. It was terrifying and I ran to my parents. They went to look but no one was there. It would seem that dark figured man from my childhood was the same, if not similar, to the one that smothered me the other night. I have read it is a precursor to the OOBE here. I was wondering is there any more information on what exactly is it? Does it appear as a precursor to every OOBE?

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I have met a few people who have used methamphetamine - it is an epidemic currently in Australia. One told me he saw a figure like that while under the influence and even had conversation with them.

I look back on this life and there are people around me who I can help if I keep going. I have to keep going.
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2016, 02:45:40 PM »
Thank you for the advice and support.

I have been laying in lions pose most nights. Two nights ago I lay, then my leg jolted and I began to relax deeper, it felt as though I was drifting off to sleep.

It is common for one or more limbs to jerk suddenly as we drift into deep relaxation.  Deep relaxation is required for deep meditation.  So, it sounds like you are making excellent progress.

Then suddenly it felt I walked into a room or ocean of something and bathed in it, but it was still my body. I was aware of the outside noises, the winds were calm. My breath was so slow I could not count it anymore, but still tried, this led me to forced breathing and accelerated my heart rate. I could hear a faint whistling but as my breath was being forced I couldn't relax anymore. My awareness felt upfront and in charge, instead of the occasionally interrupting chatter. I stopped meditating after a bit due to frustration as it felt I was grasping at something and was awake for a few hours after that.

This is where one needs to learn when to dump the meditation technique, because you were drifting into the 2nd jhana, but your attachment to your meditation object prevented you from leaving the 1st jhana.  So, do keep in mind that the 2nd jhana is when the mind becomes still.  When the mind is still the meditation object becomes dropped.  If we persist in attending to the meditation object, then we cannot go deeper into meditation.

The next day I was really out of it, but slowly returned to normal awareness. That night in contemplation the winds were strong, but as I progressed it calm and eventually rained. I slept well.

Today I was in contemplation and have noticed it feels like a switch in awareness; like turning a light on and off, or suddenly walking into a room

When we become skilled in deep meditation, then we can drop into deeper states very quickly, like switching a light on.

When organizing my health insurance the other day I told the truth, but the lady who served me lied for my benefit when registering me. When speaking to another customer service representative, I had to continue to lie in order not to get her in trouble or myself. I knew once I spoke that it was wrong. It led to anxiety the following days. Usually I tell the truth due to my vow of the 5 precepts. I am very upset and worried about this. I discussed it with my father and he said everything will be alright. But I feel I should right my wrong.

Edit: I think this was a spiritual crisis? I felt tingles throughout my body also.

Cultures are often times massively dysfunctional.  If it is necessary for a dedicated contemplative to lie to get needed services, then I see it as not an obstacle, especially when the social service provider recognizes the need, but does not have a convenient box to check.  Otherwise following the precepts is following a righteous lifestyle that leads to deep meditation states, which lead to liberation.

Update: 24/7/16 - I dreamed that someone came into my room and started smothering my mouth. I woke up and was biting the air with my head raised off the pillow.

It sounds like you were drifting into the 5th samadhi, which is an OOBE.  When you learn to become more skilled with the lower 4 stages of samadhi, then you will find this transition easier.

My third eye feels as though it 'lights up' when I sit/lay in meditation, or am still throughout the day; it is a pleasant cold sensation. Two nights ago, I felt a band being placed around my forehead about 1-2 inches above the third eye.

These are some of the signs of deep meditation (jhana-nimitta).  Those who wish to meditate deeply learn to recognize the signs of deep meditation (jhana-nimitta).  At this time they drop their formal meditation object and attend to the signs of deep meditation (jhana-nimitta) as their new meditation object.  Doing so takes them to greater depth in meditation.

Last night I was trying to sleep and I was just about to fall asleep then I heard a pop and was awake for hours. I woke up early today, having slept what seems only a couple of hours and I am not tired.

This is the precursor to an OOBE.  When you become skilled with the 4 jhanas, then you will find it easy to go OOBE.

I recall when I was young boy I was playing in my backyard and there was a fence on the side of the house. I went to the fence and looked over it, there was a dark figure of a man. It was terrifying and I ran to my parents. They went to look but no one was there. It would seem that dark figured man from my childhood was the same, if not similar, to the one that smothered me the other night. I have read it is a precursor to the OOBE here. I was wondering is there any more information on what exactly is it? Does it appear as a precursor to every OOBE?

This could be another sign of the OOBE, especially if it occurs upon the edge of sleep.

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Many methamphetamine addicts report the appearance of "shadow people" after prolonged periods of sleep deprivation. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_person

I have met a few people who have used methamphetamine - it is an epidemic currently in Australia. One told me he saw a figure like that while under the influence and even had conversation with them.

Interesting.  It is possible that over indulgence in drugs produces a number of symptoms of deep meditation.  However, these people too often have damaged their body to such an extent that they may not be able to stop taking the drug, and take up a fruitful contemplative life.

I look back on this life and there are people around me who I can help if I keep going. I have to keep going.

Having compassion for others is a sign that one is approaching deep meditation on a consistent basis.  However, one also needs to keep in mind that some people can be helped, and others cannot, and may work to drag one down.  Knowing the difference requires insight.
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