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Tad

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Do Hells exist?
« on: March 08, 2021, 10:21:22 PM »
Have you been able to confirm or deny existance of hells as one of the realms for possible rebirth? What would be the proper way to interpret suttas with reference to hell?

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Re: Do Hells exist?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2021, 12:34:12 PM »
Oh yes, I know that hell exists because I have been called their many times to help a suffering person out of their self-imposed hell. The immaterial domains are infinite and range from the deepest, most evil hell to the highest most sublime heaven, and it is all one fabric of consciousness, which is the body of the true god.
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Re: Do Hells exist?
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2021, 02:53:54 AM »
How can other beings help beings in hells?

What is the connection between the body of true god and nirvana?

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Re: Do Hells exist?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2021, 01:35:30 PM »
How can other beings help beings in hells?

As they members of this forum have read me state many times here I have been traveling out of body every night for about 47 years now, and I did it a lot as a child, but I did not know that I was doing it.  In that time I have had many experiences going to many domains and encountering many beings, and helping some beings fly out of body and to higher domains.  In that time I have been called to very deep hells to aide a suffering being. So, I have direct experience how one who can fly out of body can help others who are lost in spiritual domains.

What is the connection between the body of true god and nirvana?

It is one and the same, and trying to explain that is going to be difficult but once one experiences true Nirvana one will know.
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Re: Do Hells exist?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2021, 02:56:38 AM »
From reading the suttas, it seems that it is very easy for beings to be reborn in hell. Were you able to get any insight what reasons tend to lead to rebirth in hells?

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Re: Do Hells exist?
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2021, 12:05:45 PM »
Hi Tad,

From what I have seen, the rule of the nonphysical (if not, also, often the physical...) is that "like attracts like." If you are wise, noble, and just, you will be attracted to locations where those of a similar temperament congregate. If you are violent, fraudulent, and ignoble, you will be attracted to those similar locations. Ah, and for the ignoble, what a great reward to be with those who are like you...!

You can even see a similar operation of this principle here. Notice how you have been attracted to this particular forum with this group of people. As Jeff would say, there are very few mystics in the world, as most are not interested in this path; also, that those mystics have a particular/unique type of "IQ." Notice how utterly ignored and unnoticed this discussion group is. And yet, we find a group of people who are very serious about the spiritual quest here, at least in the English-speaking world.

For general practice, I would say the 10 Commandments, or any of the general ethical prescriptions - "do unto others" - or the Buddhist suttas' / Yogic sutras' prescriptions against killing, theft, fraud, adultery, and so on are the best means to a positive rebirth.

According to Buddhism, the attainment of stream-entry is the ideal... to do that, the scriptures prescribe: (1) the overcoming of doubt that there is a noble path to salvation; (2) the vision that all the external rites and rituals (I think of the Hasids here, for instance...) do not bring merit (this reorients you toward being much more efficient in your spiritual work than the so-called "devout" are); and (3) overcoming identity view, the gross identification with the body, form, matter, and so forth.
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Re: Do Hells exist?
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2021, 01:55:09 PM »
From reading the suttas, it seems that it is very easy for beings to be reborn in hell. Were you able to get any insight what reasons tend to lead to rebirth in hells?
Alexander summed it up excellently.  If you live your life like a demon, then you will keep company with demons in the after life.  If you live the life of a mystic, then you will rise to very high and blissful domains in the after life.  And, all shades of grey in between.
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Re: Do Hells exist?
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2021, 03:58:46 AM »
Thanks for wise words. It reminded me of this sutta (SN 20.2):

"Then the Buddha, picking up a little bit of dirt under his fingernail, addressed the mendicants: “What do you think, mendicants? Which is more: the little bit of dirt under my fingernail, or this great earth?”

“Sir, the great earth is far more. The little bit of dirt under your fingernail is tiny. Compared to the great earth, it can’t be reckoned or compared, it’s not even a fraction.”

“In the same way the sentient beings reborn as humans are few, while those not reborn as humans are many.

So you should train like this: ‘We will stay diligent.’ That’s how you should train.”

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Re: Do Hells exist?
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2021, 02:09:38 PM »
Yes, I agree a contemplative must always remain diligent. vigilent in our contemplative life.
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