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Jhana constipation
« on: March 01, 2023, 07:26:25 AM »
This is an interesting article about jhana stuff. From my experience I can concur with the analysis and recommendations provided.

Source:http://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2023/02/the-physics-of-jhana-from-jhanic.html?m=1

The Physics of Jhāna: from jhānic impotence, to jhānic omnipotence
What I wrote already
Jhāna-constipation ⛜🌊: A condition where one is practicing the method of attaining Jhāna correctly, but energy channels are partially blocked.

jhāna force, and equation‍: quantitative analysis of jhānic force.

J.A.S.I. ('Jazzy') effect: ”Jhānic Automatic Spinal Inflation”: this is what you feel when the jhāna force is propogating through the space of the entire physical body.

🌟PIE: 🌟PIE = (P)recious (I)nternal (E)nergy.



If you maintain genuine celibacy (not even thoughts of lust), mostly dwell in noble silence (2nd jhāna or better), minimizing talking and other activities that drain PIE,

then your jhāna battery charges and fills with PIE, and the jhānic force gets stronger.



 Adding a few more explanations to tie things all together.
Sexual impotence and jhānic impotence share a root cause.
Too much sexual activities that drain the PIE, causing a PIE deficit.
People can also drain PIE enormously with recreational drugs and intoxicants, alcohol, staying up all night and playing video games, partying, singing, etc.

jhānic impotence: 
This is a state far worse than jhāna constipation. With Jhāna constipation, jhāna force is strong but energy blockages are not dissolved yet, and you feel tight knots and various kinds of discomfort and even sharp pain when you're doing jhāna meditation properly.

With jhāna impotence, the jhāna force is weak, PIE is weak, like when a battery has weak voltage and low current. Vital functions of the body don't work properly.   

If one does jhāna meditation correctly while in jhāna impotent state with low jhāna force, PIE deficit, you're likely to experience various physical pains, psychosis, mental illness.

Even young kids who are overly sexually active can get into this state. It's probably a lot more common now a days with high speed internet, easy access to rich media porn, dating apps to hook up with other promiscuous kids.

When you hear about really disastrous cases of meditation causing extremely negative effects (like psychosis)  in people meditating correctly, odds are high they are in a state of jhānic impotence, low energy state with a PIE deficit.
Of course modern medical "experts" would disagree, saying that regular sexual activity (including daily masturbation) is healthy and not a cause of psychosis. 
Then they blame the meditation as the cause of the psychosis.

If you want to get out of sexual impotence or jhāna impotence, then go celibate. Eat healthy, get at least an hour or two a day of moderate to moderately vigorous physical exercise, and you will recover from this eventually.

If you listen to modern medical "experts", you'll take medications that may alleviate some symptoms of psychosis, you will never get truly better. 

The real problems in most cases are a PIE deficit and a weak jhānic force that can't distribute the PIE everywhere in the body.

the physics of jhāna
The optimal posture to maximize jhānic force is sitting in full lotus.
But you get a fraction of full jhānic force in any posture with proper training.
As a rough estimate, if full lotus gets you 100% of jhānic force,
standing could get you 70%
lying down could get you 70-100%,
walking, taiji quan can get you 50%,

As long as the jhānic force is running at a level beyond a normal non-jhāna meditator doing ordinary physical activities, you'll get a net gain in PIE accumulating daily, and gradual increase in jhānic force leading to increasing higher states of jhāna, better health, better immune system, increasingly sharper mind, better memory, better mental faculties.


When you're in jhāna, you feel tangible forces coarsing through every cell of your physical body.
Jhānic force is trying to constantly course through all the interconnected loops of energy in the body, dissolving any blockages along the way gradually.

jhāna equilibrium
 The jhānic force running everywhere is balancing the 4 elements of the body (solidity, heat, liquidity, wind force). When it's in proper balance, it's fourth jhāna, a state of jhāna equilibrium.
How are the first three jhānas not in equilibrium?

first jhāna
The first jhāna is more dominant in solidity, hardness, like ice (solid form of water).
You get surges of heat and jhānic force melting the hard ice into water, but the surges are both interrupted and triggered by vitakka and vicāra, thinking and evaluation with mental talk, verbal thoughts unspoken.
In other words, V&V used skillfully is what drives first jhāna, but the extraneous energy expenditure of first jhāna V&V prevents the strong force of second jhāna.


second jhāna
second jhāna, you've learned to keep the foot on the pedal to the metal, the jhānic force is unadulterdated, not surging on and off interrupted by V&V.
The feeling of liquidity is more dominant here of the four elements.
Wind force (jhānic force) and heat have melted most of the ice in your body into water, the runs up from the base of your spine up your back to the top of your head, and feels just like the jhāna simile says, like you're sitting in a lake with your butt on the spring that forcefully feeds jets of hot water from the bottom of the lake.
It feels like a jacuzzi where you're sitting on the jets.
If you got a full second jhāna going, and your microcosmic orbit opened up, from the top of the head the river of gushing spring water goes down your face, chest, feeding into the belly area.

third jhāna
Third jhāna marks a stage much closer to jhānic equilibrium for 4 elements in balanced harmony.
What's calmer here, compared to second jhāna?
Physically, second jhāna force and heat melted all the ice and liquified the body, strong currents of hydraulic force distributing the liquified state everywhere.
So now the physical mostly cuts off, the force that remains just gives you subtle vibrations of physical pleasure, as opposed to the strong hydraulic raging rivers from second jhāna.
The body is all water, the water is calm and still.

Mentally there is more pacification because Pīti, mental joy, is dropped. That is, any extraneous energy needed to cause mental joy is dropped. For example as an analogy, you hear a funny joke, second jhāna is like you're laughing out loud body shaking, third jhāna is you're just smiling, body is calm but you have warm fuzzy sensations.

As jhānic force is sublimating four elements into a higher energetic state of PIE,
this manifests as heat element evaporating water into empty space and visible light.
If you have enough PIE, you perceive visible light maybe like the size of a button around the middle of your head, white color, or blue color, or red, or grey.
That is what the white, blue, red lotus are alluding to in the pond with still clear water in third jhāna.


fourth jhāna
From second jhāna on, once you know how to get mental and physical tension out of the way, it's like you're flooring the pedal to the metal on your car accelerator, and someone with no jhāna or anti-jhāna has their foot stomping on the brakes instead of the accelerator.

Once you know how to do second jhāna, you automatically will gradually move to third and fourth jhāna if you stay with the program being celibate, noble silence, keeping wasteful usage of PIE to absolute minimum.

Fourth jhāna, as jhānic force continues to improve the equilibrium and harmony of the 4 elements, visible light and space (feeling of emptiness of hardness element) continue to increase.
This is why the fourth jhāna simile is a man covered completely with a white cloth.
It literally is like that.
Try it out.
Cover yourself with a large white cotton cloth.
Look  through the cross patterns of the  threads of the white cloth, it's like transparent white that you can see through.

The small button of light from third jhāna? If you keep doing the work of jhāna, letting the jhānic force increase and PIE accumulate day by day, the light gets bigger, stronger, brighter.
Your body gets lighter (weight, not visible light), even you step on the scale you still weigh the same as you did before (in force pounds, kilos), you somehow feel much lighter weight, and you feel levitation is possible someday.
As you get more and brighter light, your mind gets sharper and more clear, your memory gets better.
Your bullshit detector is mighty.
You can discern corrupted dhamma from proper dhamma.
You're not fooled by charismatic teachers who talk eloquently but don't teach or do the genuine Buddha's jhāna.
And you're definitely not impressed by smart people with impressive credentials and published works but no actual jhāna experience.

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Re: Jhana constipation
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2023, 12:03:55 PM »
It's good to see someone else commenting on the 4 stages of samadhi known as jhana, but he has quite a different perspective on jhana than I do mostly recommending diet, celibacy and noble silence.  Gee, how about daily meditation practice that exceeds 20 minutes?
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2023, 03:58:39 AM »
Jhananda, good point of course. I think daily meditation promotes mindstates for healthy and disciplined living. At the same time, the article has valid points too. Abstinance from strong sensual pleasures helps preserve energy and cuts off food source for craving. I think you naturally have very strong energy considering your past lifes as a mystic. But for us, regular mortals, we need more effert in building up energy to support practice :)

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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2023, 10:00:06 PM »
The idea in the article reminds me of 'dopamine detox'.  Some entrepreneurs are doing this now.  It's a new buzz word, cutting out things that spike dopamine levels like sexual imagery, chocolate, coffee, etc.. for a period of time to rebalance the brain. 

Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Jhana constipation
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2023, 08:09:33 AM »
David,

Dopamine addiction is a real thing and abstinance helps. But I think even more important is preserving energy. Sexual pleasure definitely consumes energy. Especially if you get really high from it, I feel like that takes longer to recover than when it is kind of boring. In any case, I admire ascetics that completely quit sexual pleasure. I  married so I tried to go for longer and longer periods without it. But family life sometimes requires intimacy. But hopefully, in the future I will be able to 100% commit to practice. Sexual pleasure is not the only thing that can depletw energy. I would also say stressful job can take lots of vital energy or dealing with family issues and etc.

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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2023, 12:50:14 PM »
While I am aware that there is a great deal of rhetoric in contemplative movements that one must avoid sex to conserve a hypothetical "energy;" nonetheless, I think what is more relevant is having a relationship, can lead to reproduction, and when we put these 2 things together, then we have the motivation to work hard to support the family and to please the family. which consumes most of one's energy, effort and time.  Ultimately adults work themselves to death as a product of reproduction.

Whereas, to become a mystic is really a fulltime job with little time and effort directed at subsistence and reproduction. Otherwise where is one going to find the time to meditate in hour long intervals several times a day, plus go on retreat for a week, to weeks every year?
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2023, 12:59:11 PM »
While I am aware that there is a great deal of rhetoric in contemplative movements that one must avoid sex to conserve a hypothetical "energy;" nonetheless, I think what is more relevant is having a relationship, can lead to reproduction, and when we put these 2 things together, then we have the motivation to work hard to support the family and to please the family. which consumes most of one's energy, effort and time.  Ultimately adults work themselves to death as a product of reproduction.

Whereas, to become a mystic is really a fulltime job with little time and effort directed at subsistence and reproduction. Otherwise where is one going to find the time to meditate in hour long intervals several times a day, plus go on retreat for a week, to weeks every year?

It is a good trick of nature. Go through childhood, adolescence: very little knowledge, very ignorant. Finally you reach early adulthood: and then you're possessed by the passion for sex. Many people who do not have self-mastery fall into the same trap, over and over again. Copulate - have unprotected sex - impregnate - then fettered for the rest of one's life ;D

I do believe sex and celibacy are inextricably linked. And, good things come to those who wait :)
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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2023, 05:52:20 PM »
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Tad:But I think even more important is preserving energy. Sexual pleasure definitely consumes energy. Especially if you get really high from it, I feel like that takes longer to recover than when it is kind of boring.
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   Where I am at this time in my life is at a place (for now at least) where I seem to be able to easily physically heal myself with energy work, but when I heal all my soreness and body pain it spikes my libido and I end up constantly thinking of sexual imagery and spending my internal energy. 

 Usually I opt only to heal myself when my body pain becomes significant so that I can enjoy lower sexual energy, or just do cyclical healing so that I can occosionally enjoy the energy with my girlfriend.   Still trying to figure out if there is a way I can feel really healthy and good without my libido going through the roof, but maybe it is just something I have to deal with.

 I have heard a rumor that some monks use certain herbs or roots to drop the libido but I don't know much about it.

-David
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2023, 06:05:06 PM »
My partner has an interesting perspecive on sexual energy.  I don't believe as a spirit in the astral world it is a normal part of her daily life, but she told me she can experience that kind of energy here if she brings her kundalini down from the crown chakra to the lower chakras.  She told me sensual satisfaction for her is not possible at the crown chakra or above.  So her view is that to avoid sexual thoughts you can raise your kundalni up to the top chakras of the body.  If only I could do that, hah.

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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2023, 03:40:51 AM »
While I am aware that there is a great deal of rhetoric in contemplative movements that one must avoid sex to conserve a hypothetical "energy;" nonetheless, I think what is more relevant is having a relationship, can lead to reproduction, and when we put these 2 things together, then we have the motivation to work hard to support the family and to please the family. which consumes most of one's energy, effort and time.  Ultimately adults work themselves to death as a product of reproduction.

Whereas, to become a mystic is really a fulltime job with little time and effort directed at subsistence and reproduction. Otherwise where is one going to find the time to meditate in hour long intervals several times a day, plus go on retreat for a week, to weeks every year?

Jhananda,

This is excellent. While having a family can be a noble cause from the wordly perspective, from the spiritual perspective it is definitely the biggest entanglement.

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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2023, 06:32:16 AM »
I would also say I have a spirit family also to a degree.  I have had four mystics meet my spirits to date as well as a few encounters with my atomic family.  The amout of effort I have dedicated to conjuring my two spirit friends has been huge and exhausting sometimes.  Similar to raising children.  Great discipline is needed.  The time spent could be in the 1000+ hour range over 4 years, using Kali Shakti, but it has been incredibly rewarding meeting and telepathing with my two spirits.  I can see how raising children can be rewarding now after the life I choose.  They bring into our lives amazing things we just didn't think of before, weather it is Earth children or spirits and I can respect both paths!

-David
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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2023, 12:02:00 PM »
Thank you, David, Tad and Alexander for posting your contributions to this thread.  It is certainly paralleling our dialog on another thread.  I would just like to point out from my experience of a daily meditation practice that leads to depth that I seem o have had a very low libido, which could be explained by my 55 years of autoimmune disease, or by my 50 year fruitful contemplative life, or possibly both.  Yes, I went through periods of craving for sex, and relationship, and I averaged about one lover every year until 2000, when I realized that relationships were circular and never left the merry-go-round, so I got off the sensual cycle 20 years ago at the same time I increased my daily sitting sessions to 1 hour intervals. Now after all of the insane abuse from family of origin, and abuse from my 2 ex-wives, I am so happy I never got back on the insane merry-go-round of relationships.

However, since I have been terminally ill with COPD I had reached out to my children for a few years of loving embrace before I die, and found that they both hat me, and believe I was an abusive husband, which I wasn't.  The problem is my 2 ex-wives have dominated the conversation, and character assassination for so long, plus my children were so young, when I left their respective mothers, that my 2 children are really poor witnesses to what really took place, and they are deeply traumatized by their childhood. Consequently I don't experience kindness or appreciation from my children.  I just experience anger and resentment from them. So, the idea that having children so you will have someone to love and care for you in your old age is a serious delusion.
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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2023, 01:31:59 AM »
Regarding sexual desire, in my experience there is a strong correlation between increased samadhi and decreased craving. During the period when I had strong samadhi, I pretty much had zero thoughts about anything sexual. I could still discern attractive features in female bodies, but there was no motivation to seek sex. But when I lost my samadhi and got into a state of chronic stress, I started using sex, fantasies, porn and all that stuff to get away fron the pain. Understanding the downsides of sexual pleasure is a big factor too. Some people who have pretty good samadhi are still not able to drop sexuality. Most likely because they continue to see value in the pleasure.
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2023, 02:29:12 PM »
I completely agree, Tad, as long as I maintain daily bliss through samadhi there is no craving for anything, but as soon as I find myself enmeshed in suffering and avoid my daily depth in meditation the more suffering and enmeshment in materialism I experience.  This should serve as a warning to all.
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2023, 05:48:41 AM »
Jeff I can understand that, I experienced alot of alienation from my social group starting in 2018 after I met the alchemist.  When however, looking more carefully at my life I can also trace strange events back before 2018 back to 2004 or 2005 to a more minor degree, that is for another thread though.
 
  I can agree that it is so sad that we often recieve such little emotional support from our relatives and closest friends.  This is partly why is desperation I turned to spirit invocation and conjuration in 2018, for companionship.  I have been invoking the same spirits since then, mainly two.  Now after so much time I feel they support me and inform me, but so few Earth friends do...