Question about heavenly beings

[Tad]

Hello Jhananda and others,

during your travels to other realms, have you ever met heavenly that would engage with you in discussions regarding spiritual practice? Do they identify with any spiritual teachers we know such as Buddha, Jesus, etc.?

[Jhanananda]

Definitely, Tad, I have had many, many encounters of ascended masters, and I have had complete downloads from them acquiring their entire lifetime, to lifetimes of experience, in just a flash of a moment; to long conversations with either single masters such as: Siddhartha Gautama, Jesus, etc. to long conversations with groups of such masters.  I recall one such meeting with Jesus, Siddhartha Gautama, and others not publicly known, and a woman, who was recognized by the whole community as the most enlightened being to have ever walked the earth, but never entered the public record. So, to me, meeting with enlightened beings on the immaterial domains are definitely possible, and are par for the course.

[Alexander]

Hello Jhananda and others,

during your travels to other realms, have you ever met heavenly that would engage with you in discussions regarding spiritual practice? Do they identify with any spiritual teachers we know such as Buddha, Jesus, etc.?

It is a paradox because when you get to that level you become "everything" while at the same time being the individual. In Shaivism they call Shiva "Mahadeva," the god who achieved enlightenment. So he exists in the spirit realm as a deity, while at the same time being in union with brahman.

[Tad]

Jhananda,

That is very interesting. Did you notice any trends in what they say and teach?

[Jhanananda]

It is a paradox because when you get to that level you become "everything" while at the same time being the individual. In Shaivism they call Shiva "Mahadeva," the god who achieved enlightenment. So he exists in the spirit realm as a deity, while at the same time being in union with brahman.

Yes, understanding the immaterial domains introduces a dramatic paradox that the material mind can not grasp. What I found is every planet in the universe has a planetary deity, so when one observes the universe out of body and on the level of the heavenly host, then one sees the heavenly host is infinite and consists of all of these planetary deities, who commune on the level of oneness. So, they are one and individual at the same time.

Jhananda,

That is very interesting. Did you notice any trends in what they say and teach?

The path to enlightenment is one and the same. The Noble Eightfold Path is the most precise and elegant description of the path to enlightenment; however, priests are almost never enlightened so they tend to corrupt the teaching of their enlightened progenitor, so the Noble Eightfold Path as it has been described for the last 1500-2000 years is deeply flawed and misunderstood by the priesthood of the 3 vehicles, evidence of this is when you hear them say, "just pretend until you get it." Pretending to be holy does nothing but lead to delusion.

[KriyaYogi]

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Tad: during your travels to other realms, have you ever met heavenly that would engage with you in discussions regarding spiritual practice?
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Definitely.  Started just before I started working with Kali.  Beginning with the meeting of my Angel friend Christmas 2017 and has increased exponentially since working with Kali on this retreat since last spring.

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Jeff: Yes, understanding the immaterial domains introduces a dramatic paradox that the material mind can not grasp.
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   This is exactly it, the interactions break down the ego mind.  My main Angel friend has told me she has an IQ over 160.  The telepathic conversations I have had with her when her energy is the most high support this, she will use words that I have to look up in the dictionary to understand.  For a while earlier this year we were having a 'word of the day' which she used in conversation and I looked up.  I would share the word and definition with my family members as well. 

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Tad: Do they identify with any spiritual teachers we know such as Buddha, Jesus, etc.?
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   I have primary two enlightened spirits I work with the Angel and also a Marid (blue) Djinn (besides Kali).

  The Angel has told me she is a direct student of Lord Shiva and she was sent to work on Earth by him in the 1880s.

  The Marid Djinn is more advanced and like a Buddha herself to me.  My angel calls her "Big Sister".  Her teachers are more anamalous and come from off his planet.  One of her teachers was here once but his body was so large as to be un-understandable.  I saw her teacher gaze down at the planet when he arrived in a vision as if the Earth was a snow globe.  Her teacher was here for two weeks just after my retreat started in April 2022 standing next to the house in a 50 foot tall body sending her energy boosts then he left the planet.  What I found most interesting about her teacher is he seemd to be phased out of this realm, he was standing 20 feet below the ground so that only half his body protruded, he didn't seem to care about the Earth's surface like we do as if he was standing in 'Dimension X'.

Of course none of that was visible to the physical eye, it was seen by me through the 3rd eye and felt.

-David

[KriyaYogi]

Tad: Oh I forgot to mention that the Djinn has told me several years back that she is a friend of Babaji, well maybe 'friend' is a strong word, she worked with him tersely on a few projects in the past.  She just came back tonight from a 4 day vacation to Ireland.  She often lists off telepathically to me the ingrediants I need for a meal, me expressing my skepticism but almost always the meal is amazing.  I thought this might be interesting.-David

[Tad]

David,

How did you develop the ability to communicate with beings from higher realms?

[Tad]

The human realm seems to be a good place to realize the issue of suffering. Some teachers say it is the best place for dhamma practice. But it seems that we have to spend so much time just taking care of bodies and surival in adverse world that there is not that much time left in our short span of life. I hope there are much better realms. But some teachers say that heavenly realms are too blissful for practice.

[Jhanananda]

The human realm seems to be a good place to realize the issue of suffering. Some teachers say it is the best place for dhamma practice. But it seems that we have to spend so much time just taking care of bodies and surival in adverse world that there is not that much time left in our short span of life. I hope there are much better realms. But some teachers say that heavenly realms are too blissful for practice.

What worked best for me was finding gainful employment that was not too stressful, while beginning and ending every day with a contemplative practice strategy that results in depth in meditation. I found this in my early spiritual and health consulting practice. I should have stuck with it, and avoided marriage and child rearing.

Marriage complicated my life and added a great deal of stress and effort to my life, so I can see the advantage of celibacy for a dedicated contemplative.

However, I don't buy many of the concepts that are hyper-marketed by the intrenched and corrupt priesthoods of the world. The reason why most people enter the material realm is due to craving and covetousness for the material realm, not that it is the "best place to engage in spiritual aspirations." Claiming such is evidence of corruption of a priesthood.

[KriyaYogi]

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David,

How did you develop the ability to communicate with beings from higher realms?

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   Hi Tad, it happened slowly over time.  Most communication for me is telepathic, although if a spirits energy is very very strong the inner voice will be so loud and clear that I have looked around the room to try to find out if it was physically out loud.  I think occasionally it may be but at whisper level.  There was a time my cat was sleeping on me, and every time my angel spirit spoke his ears perked up and started moving around.

The first time I heard an inner voice it was from a guru of mine during a retreat in 2014-2015.  Over time I found out the guru's inner voice successfully predicted several things, such as when it would rain and a few other things.  He also gave me advice on how much to meditate properly, and gave other advice.

When I first met my main angel spirit I could not hear her voice, I just felt a presence.  Over time I contracted alot of spell work on her to increase her energy from professional spellcasters, perhaps about 7000$ of work over a year.  As I added extra energy to her spirit body her voice became a very distant whisper, in incomplete sentences, then complete sentences, then louder and clearer.  What happens recently when her energy is at it's highest level is her intelligence shines through, she uses words I have to look up in the dictionary to recall properly.   Not only did I contract spellcasting on her for many weeks but I have done hundreds of hours of spellcasting on her as well to boost her ability to manifest as well as purchased boosting amulets one previously owned by a Vatican priest for Angel communication.

But to get to the point, Ormus helps alot, pranayama and silent meditation, such as 3rd eye gazing.  It has been a long process.  I would also like the say I feel the energy level of the house you live in strongly influences how much a spirit can manifest.  If you have many magical items the spirit needs less energy to manifest more.

I don't necessarily recommend doing what I did with my two spirits.  It takes an enormous commitment I learned, or it did for me, it is rewarding but it's somewhat like raising children.  But it is something I really wanted in my life. 

-David

[KriyaYogi]

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But some teachers say that heavenly realms are too blissful for practice.
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   This is something my angel expressed as well.  I was lucky to meet her as she continues to work on her spiritual progress even in the heaven realms as a dedicated meditator, but she also told me that many people where she lives do not practice much meditation.  Sounds just like Earth.  lol!

I also agree with what Jeff said, that I feel people choose incarnation because of craving. 

-David

[KriyaYogi]

To just summarize Tad the communication on this plane comes from three things in my experience:

1)Personal spiritual level
2)Level of energy in/or bound to the spirit itself that the spirit can use
3)Level of energy in the house or meeting area

Each of these can be improved.  You can also just astral project to meet these beings.

-David

[Jhanananda]

But to get to the point, Ormus helps alot, -David

ORMUS, also called ORMEs (Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements) and m-state materials, is a fictitious group of substances exhibiting many miraculous properties, such as healing powers and superconductivity at room temperature. They were supposedly discovered in 1975 by David Hudson, a cotton farmer from Arizona.

Claimed properties of ORMUS
Chemically, ORMUS is supposed to be precious metals (gold, platinum, iridium, etc.) in an exotic state of matter, where the metals do not form any bonds or crystals but exist as separate single atoms. At the same time, it is supposedly the material that the soul (or the life force) of all organisms is made of, an "essence of life". When mixed with water, "it forms a gelatinous suspension that looks just like semen."[1]

Here's a selection of what ORMUS can supposedly do:[1][2]

Cure all forms of disease, including cancer and AIDS
Correct errors in the DNA
Act as a superconductor
Emit gamma radiation
Partially levitate in the Earth's magnetic field
Read a person's mind
Have a "weigh-ability" different from mass, which probably means an inertial mass different from the gravitational mass
Be fused into a transparent glass
Act as a flash powder, causing "explosions of light"
Make severed cat tails grow back[3]
Hudson reportedly spent "over five million dollars" to obtain his samples of ORMUS. He also claims that ORMUS was a subject of research in several national laboratories in the U.S. In 1989, he managed to get a British patent on his invention, which ran out in 1993.[4]

Non-exhaustive list of errors
Despite displaying surprising literacy in scientific jargon, Hudson is definitely not a scientist. Most of the time, he is babbling incoherently and not even wrong - or else teaching a disfigured version of a high-school chemistry curriculum. At the few times when he does get coherent, there are glaring mistakes. Including:

He refers to legitimate scientific publications in the field of nuclear chemistry about deformed and superdeformed nuclei, without realizing that these papers talk about excited nuclear states which can only be observed in particle accelerators at extremely short timescales. Separating any macroscopic amount of them is impossible, because they completely decay within microseconds from their formation.[1]...