The Big Picture

[Alexander]

1 Shiva and Kali are an archetype. They are the divine male and female.
2 Christ is an archetype. He is the Resurrected One.
3 Vishnu is an archetype. He is the maintainer of the universe.
4 Brahma is not worthy of respect. He created the world, but he also created suffering and death.
5 It is correct to say Christ, Vishnu, and Shiva are God.
6 The avatars are all complete expressions of Divinity. They just come in different forms.
7 Christ is an avatar by adoption.
8 The avatars are all One. It’s difficult, but keep pondering it.

[Alexander]

Notes

It seems Brahma was the creator of the physical universe, but he was heedless and foolish. He created this beautiful world but he also created suffering and death

It looks like Vishnu and Shiva tried to warn him but he ignored them

So now today the other 3, as complete expressions of Divinity, intervene periodically in an effort to reduce human suffering

Hm so Brahma is a delusional creator deity

Listen I’m as surprised as you are

I think the key thing is not to get distracted by the names. Ie not get hung up on that it’s Indian gods. It’s just that that’s where the revelations of the archetypes accumulated

We’re only unraveling it now

It makes sense because… people always ask, “How can this world (with so much evil) be created by a good God?” Lol so it wasn’t. It was created by a big blowhard

Now the responsible Deities (who are all actually the same Person) are trying throughout history to un-fuck up his work

Ok I remember how Brahmā was described in the suttas

So Christ, Vishnu, and Shiva all achieved self-realization (I am what I am)

Brahma believes in a sense of self. So he is delusional

There’s no way anyone would have figured this out. It’s unbelievable

[Alexander]

According to Buddhist teachings, the god Brahmā, who is worshipped in various forms in Hinduism, is considered to be delusional. The Buddha's perspective on Brahmā's delusion is based on the concept of anicca (impermanence) and anatta (no-self).

In Buddhist philosophy, all conditioned phenomena, including beings and gods, are subject to the law of impermanence. This means that everything in existence is in a constant state of change and is devoid of any permanent essence. However, Brahmā, like other gods in Hinduism, believes in his eternal existence and identifies himself as an eternal, unchanging entity.

The Buddha emphasized that this belief in eternal existence is a delusion because it contradicts the fundamental nature of reality. The concept of anatta (no-self) is central to Buddhism, which teaches that there is no permanent, unchanging self or soul within individuals or any other sentient beings.

The delusion of Brahmā lies in his attachment to the idea of a permanent self. He wrongly assumes that his divine nature is eternal and unchanging, which leads to a false sense of identity and a distorted understanding of reality. This delusion prevents Brahmā from recognizing the impermanence inherent in his existence and the transient nature of all conditioned phenomena. (ChatGPT)

[Alexander]

Hm so the Buddha figured a lot out. He realized the creator deity was delusional compared to him

[Alexander]

Hm some lines on the holy couple

1 The destruction of Shiva brings enlightenment.
2 The Kali Yuga has nothing to do with Kali. It’s just that the word means “dark.”
3 They say Shiva comes to sort out the world at the end of the Kali Yuga.
4 In the Dark Age, people are ignorant of being.
5 After the Dark Age comes the Age of Virtue.
6 Anyone with any sense is afraid of Shiva. But there’s actually nothing to fear. Shiva is the bringer of enlightenment.

[Alexander]

It appears Vishnu and Shiva were aware creating the physical universe would also create evil. They understood it would be a bipolar world. Ie white and black, hot and cold, life and death

Shiva was working on a solution to the Problem of Evil (what this was I can’t understand) but Brahma’s heedlessness messed everything up

So our current world is more of a patchwork universe, where the path to enlightenment, esoteric knowledge, and the great chain of being were added in order to allow physical beings to ascend and make their way to the nonphysical

Hm. Interesting

[Alexander]

Hm so Brahma’s creation was reorganized (?) according to universal principles, Justice, Wisdom, Beauty, and Perfection

[Alexander]

I still don’t understand. How would you “add” the principles? How would they not be there at the start? I’ll continue to ponder it

[Alexander]

Shiva said, “The universe was created by a fucking asshole. A douche. A big douche!”

Well there you have it

[Alexander]

The sensible deities refused to create the universe as they didn’t want to create evil

Thus it was created by an unsensible one

[Jhanananda]

You have provided a lot of quote, but no sources, and the language does not seem to reflect common language in Indic literature, so I am not sure what your point is?

My takes on the various forms of creationism is there is no compelling evidence for a cognitive entity having created the physical universe, and there is no evidence that such a belief system is required for following a path to enlightenment.  If you are going to paraphrase the Pali Canon, then the only place there that I can recall there is a discussion of various belief systems present during the period of Siddhartha Gautama is his conclusion in DN-1 there is no necessity to believe anything, but the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path, which are self-evident, and can be tested by anyone.

[Alexander]

Hm it does explain a lot. I’ll continue to ponder it

Also I don’t think Shiva likes Brahma very much (comedic understatement)

[Alexander]

You have provided a lot of quote, but no sources, and the language does not seem to reflect common language in Indic literature, so I am not sure what your point is?

My takes on the various forms of creationism is there is no compelling evidence for a cognitive entity having created the physical universe, and there is no evidence that such a belief system is required for following a path to enlightenment.  If you are going to paraphrase the Pali Canon, then the only place there that I can recall there is a discussion of various belief systems present during the period of Siddhartha Gautama is his conclusion in DN-1 there is no necessity to believe anything, but the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path, which are self-evident, and can be tested by anyone.

I am the source. It is a new revelation

You may accept it or reject it at your discretion

[Alexander]

You have provided a lot of quote, but no sources, and the language does not seem to reflect common language in Indic literature, so I am not sure what your point is?

My takes on the various forms of creationism is there is no compelling evidence for a cognitive entity having created the physical universe, and there is no evidence that such a belief system is required for following a path to enlightenment.  If you are going to paraphrase the Pali Canon, then the only place there that I can recall there is a discussion of various belief systems present during the period of Siddhartha Gautama is his conclusion in DN-1 there is no necessity to believe anything, but the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path, which are self-evident, and can be tested by anyone.

It appears to address most of your philosophical concerns with the universe

I’ll continue to contemplate it

[Alexander]

Hm I wrote this story years ago and today’s insights appear to be a reiteration of the same narrative

https://alexanderlorincz.com/index.php/short-stories/the-parable-of-creation

I’m not sure if we’re meant to interpret it literally or figuratively

But it does provide a schema by which to understand the universe