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Jhananda's teachers
« on: February 21, 2013, 10:21:38 PM »
Hello Cybermonks,

I agree, children can find a good path, if the elders in their lives truly know
what the heck's going on. Some children are born with a more developed
awareness. My wife, Malia, tells me she could understand language before
she could pronounce words. Is that DNA at work? Perhaps a proof of
reincarnation? Just a smart ass kid? Who knows!

So... Jeffrey, who was it? In the past, I believe you spoke of a grandmother,
who  help answer questions.  Of course, I respect your privacy, so I
don't have to know.
Hello Kimo, yes, the person who had the greatest influence upon my spiritual direction was an old woman, who was not really my grandmother, but she was the only grandmother I knew as a child.  Her name was Francis Grow.  She road her bicycle to Tucson from Boston in the 50s, and it was after that that she rented a room from my mother, and she became my mother's surrogate mother after her mother died.

In about 1974 I had been having the occasional pre-OOBE phenomena of sleep paralysis, etc.  It was she who helped me to understand that it was an OOBE. 

Francis had been initiated into the Coptic Fellowship by the original founder Hamid Bey.  She was into homeopathy and prescribed homeopathic medicine to a large number of people in Tucson. Her uncle owned a homeopathic hospital in Boston, and she assisted him. She was otherwise a pretty fundamentalist Christian.
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2013, 07:29:04 PM »
I have been thinking about Francis Grow quite a bit lately.  Most people who knew her considered her either a mystic or insane.  After all what woman in her right mind would ride a bicycle from Boston to Tucson in the 50s?  Well Francis did, so most people dismissed her as insane.

She was born in 1900 and she attended Eastman School of Music, around 1920, when my mother was born.  My mother also attended Eastman School of Music, so when they met around 1960, and my mother felt the need of having some female adult company, she chose to rent my bedroom to Francis. 

Francis lived with us for about a year.  My mother's mother had died a few years earlier, so I am sure my mother felt Francis was a surrogate for her. Like my mother's mother, Francis was very religious and very proper; whereas my mother thought of herself as a modern city girl, who did her best to avoid letting people know that she had been born and raised on a Michigan dairy farm. Francis and my mother had a falling out over my mother's loose modern morals, verses Francis' life-long virginity.

Before the great falling out, my mother used to take us kids to visit Francis on holidays, like Christmas, and Thanksgiving, after Francis moved out.  I recall that she lived along the Rillito River, where cotton woods and tamarisks kept the air cool during our hot summers.  She had well over 20 cats, and she was handy, and made her living doing repairs, so she had built her cats an apartment complex, next to her cottage, all of which nestled under the dense shade of tamarisk trees.

I am not sure why, but when I started having the material world and the immaterial worlds colliding in my waking state, which is what Michael is going through right now, was when I looked up Francis.  It was about 1974, and Francis lived in a small bungalow house in a nice quiet neighborhood south of Broadway and east of Country Club roads in Tucson, AZ.

Her cottage was full of boxes of her stuff.  We met in the summer room, which is a Tucson architectural feature from the 19th and early 20th centuries where a room was built on the north side of a dwelling where it was shaded and cool.  It had no windows, or walls, but was typically all screened in to keep the bugs out.  This is how people kept cool in Tucson before air-conditioning.

At that time, I described to her what was happening in my dreams, which was me leaving my body, but I had no cultural context for such an event.

She said, "Oh dear, you are just having out-of-body-experiences." She then got up and rummaged through her boxes until she found a group of lessons that she had received from the Coptic Fellowship on out-of-body travel.  They were small booklet individually bound with a staple, and tied together.  I seem to recall there were about 50-or 60 lessons.  She had tied them together with old twine, and sent me home with them.

I read all of them, and found them only slightly useful.  They were a series of creative visualizations to project back to the great pyramids and explore them while out-of-body.  For me the out-of-body-experience is totally no-cognitive.  It just happens on its own, and I do not make anything happen.  It all just happens on its own, and is more interesting than anything I could have invented, or read in a book.

I saw Francis a few times after that.  She was very interested in us building a retreat center together for healing.  The A.R.E clinic was in Casa Grande at that time, and they were interested in Edgar Cayce's healing work.  But, Edgar Cayce seemed seriously out of date to me, even though I was serious studying and practicing natural healing at the time.  Nonetheless, I thought her idea held merit, but neither of us had funding, and living in Casa Grande in the summer seemed like insanity to me. 

At the time my father owned 30 acres of land along the San Pedro River, just north of Benson.   So, I approached him with the idea of Francis and I developing a healing retreat center there.  He was not interested in letting us have access to his land.  Which sat for decades unused and eventually become nothing more than an eroded moonscape.

At the end of it all with Francis I felt she was more crazy than enlightened, so I kept my distance.  Now, I realize that she was most probably more enlightened than crazy, and if I had aligned with her, then I would have helped her and myself far more.

About 5 or 10 years later she sold her house, which her family had bought her, and she bought a used RV and set out to spend her last days camping in the National Forest.  Around about 1983 she had some health, mechanical and financial problems that she could not take care of, so she ended up being a ward of the state. 

I regret now not helping her more.  But, I see now that most people who are aware of my life most probably think I am more crazy than enlightened.  I think most humans are completely insane and deluded.  Oh, well.  That is the way of the mystic.
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2013, 04:42:14 AM »
Much aloha to ya Jeffrey,

Thanks for the information on Francis. I wouldn't chastise
yourself for not connecting more fully with her. What she
needed to pass to you happened as it should. I would
consider it a blessing/grace you received. The right teacher
at the right time.

Perhaps you are in the position to help Michael in the
transition. Its the learning how to survive as his new
abilities manifest. I think you are uniquely qualified to
do this.

Personally... I don't know how you can exist in
Arizona, a totally republican, red as you can get, state.
I'm amazed the redneck negativity, paranoid, hostile
to the poor, different and corporate sellout of the folks
in power there, hasn't gotten to you. it must be some
kind of hidden strength your unaware of. Perhaps I'm
ignorant of the reality there. Hopefully.

Later,
Kimo 

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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2013, 12:22:23 PM »
Much aloha to ya Jeffrey,

Personally... I don't know how you can exist in
Arizona, a totally republican, red as you can get, state.
I'm amazed the redneck negativity, paranoid, hostile
to the poor, different and corporate sellout of the folks
in power there, hasn't gotten to you. it must be some
kind of hidden strength your unaware of. Perhaps I'm
ignorant of the reality there. Hopefully.

Later,
Kimo 
Yes, Arizona is a fascist state; however, I have lived in the few socialist communities that are islands of sanity in this sea of ultra-right wing conservatism.
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2013, 02:41:49 AM »
however, I have lived in the few socialist communities that are islands of sanity in this sea of ultra-right wing conservatism.

ah and I stumble across jhananda's political views :)

I am glad that as mystics we live in accord with our consciences, and aren't afraid of that wicked word "socialism."
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2013, 01:04:48 PM »
ah and I stumble across jhananda's political views :)

I am glad that as mystics we live in accord with our consciences, and aren't afraid of that wicked word "socialism."
I often times wonder why most of the homeless people I know have a strong dislike for the word 'socialism.'  I believe it is because the hegemony, which is essential fascist, has indoctrinated them deeply.  After all socialism is government by the people for the people.  Whereas, fascism is government by the wealthy for the wealthy, which is the system we have in place now in the USA and most of the rest of the world.
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2013, 01:42:18 PM »
I often times wonder why most of the homeless people I know have a strong dislike for the word 'socialism.'  I believe it is because the hegemony, which is essential fascist, has indoctrinated them deeply.  After all socialism is government by the people for the people.  Whereas, fascism is government by the wealthy for the wealthy, which is the system we have in place now in the USA and most of the rest of the world.

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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2015, 12:14:28 PM »
Not to dig an old thread up but...

She said, "Oh dear, you are just having out-of-body-experiences." She then got up and rummaged through her boxes until she found a group of lessons that she had received from the Coptic Fellowship on out-of-body travel.  They were small booklet individually bound with a staple, and tied together.  I seem to recall there were about 50-or 60 lessons.  She had tied them together with old twine, and sent me home with them.

I read all of them, and found them only slightly useful.  They were a series of creative visualizations to project back to the great pyramids and explore them while out-of-body.  For me the out-of-body-experience is totally no-cognitive.  It just happens on its own, and I do not make anything happen.  It all just happens on its own, and is more interesting than anything I could have invented, or read in a book.

Did she have out-of-body experiences herself? Or did she just pass the knowledge of what they were on to you? Was she spiritually perfect?

I have been thinking about Francis Grow quite a bit lately.  Most people who knew her considered her either a mystic or insane.  After all what woman in her right mind would ride a bicycle from Boston to Tucson in the 50s?  Well Francis did, so most people dismissed her as insane.

It is interesting if I traced this ride back, it would lead right back to me in Massachusetts.

Francis had been initiated into the Coptic Fellowship by the original founder Hamid Bey.  She was into homeopathy and prescribed homeopathic medicine to a large number of people in Tucson. Her uncle owned a homeopathic hospital in Boston, and she assisted him. She was otherwise a pretty fundamentalist Christian.

I had not heard of Hamid Bey before this.
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2015, 01:55:23 PM »
Did she have out-of-body experiences herself? Or did she just pass the knowledge of what they were on to you? Was she spiritually perfect?

I am not sure if she was spiritually "perfect" or had OOBEs, but she knew exactly what I was experiencing, and she had lived her life as a life long virgin, and poor, even though she came from a wealthy family.  She also led a fully dedicated spiritual life. 

As for Hamid Bey, I met him.  He was driving a new Cadillac and serving the wealthy of Hollywood, so I doubt it.
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