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« Reply #75 on: October 28, 2013, 12:11:13 PM »
To my great joy, frequency of OOBEs seems to be increasing. I more often am able to remember that flying is possible in the immaterial domain. Lucidity comes gradually though, because often I will at first not recognize that I am dreaming and can do what I want and go where ever - no at first I often find myself sick of having to walk, walking to some perceived destination, and then realize that it would be faster and cooler to fly there. Or I will simply feel a longing for flying.
This is a good sign of increasing Lucidity in the sleep domain.  When you are lucid 24/7, then you will have arrived at the deathless (amatta).
Some times I seem to be meant to go somewhere, and flying somewhere else becomes almost a struggle, like I am pulled towards where I was going. I think this happens when I am supposed to see something, in the psychological-lesson kind of dream.
As the mystic progress he/she loses the volition to do anything, and is pulled to wherever he/she goes.
At other times I become seriously extatic like described in a previous post, and just go up and dissapear into the light.
Yes, exploring the immaterial domains (ayatana) is ecstasy; and the ecstasy becomes greater and greater the deeper/higher we go.
Last night though was the first time that I could lift off and fly out into space. When realizing I can fly I got very happy as usual and just soared upwards. Soon I came out of our atmosphere and saw our beautiful planet. I stopped there and was full of awe. Both of the view and that I was fortunate enough to have this kind of an experience, that I have longed for. Then I got back into this body.
I found exploring space the most beautiful, and awe inspiring.  It is surely much better than any astronaut would ever experience.
The pattern for me seems to be that these things happens afterhavig sleept only an hour or two, and then I wake up. The rest of the night was mostly symbol/lesson-style dreams.
Yes, in the beginning we require rest prior to gaining lucidity; however, as we learn to manage our energy (virtue, virya, kundalini) then the less rest we need to gain lucidity in sleep until we are lucid 24-7. This is excellent progress in the immaterial domains (ayatana/loca).  You are making excellent progress.  If you keep it up, then it will only get better.
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« Reply #76 on: December 16, 2013, 02:23:10 PM »
Many times on the contemplative path I have had to revisit the same insights and attainments again and again, until they have incarnated fully.

Recently I again discovered what I suspect is the correlation between "awareness of energy" and freedom from fetters/skandas/bad vibes. I'm however not quite sure so I thought i would post it here for feedback.
I have noticed that i can very often choose between an unwholesome mental state and a blissfull sensation of energy. Now this seems to be an easy choice but for me it is a matter of remembering and having available space, like, not being too disturbed. But when i do remember, any mental state can be let go of, and often its source seems to be a kind of enery in the body that is really blissful.
That blissful sensation is very intense and often make me unproportionally and unexpectedly happy, and is very available outside of the stillness of meditation, to the extent of me remembering to let go, all the time.

Is this a reasonable conclusion - the possibility of switching between unwholesome mental states and their underlying bodily energies?

If so, this would also explain the bad temper and harschness of the mystic, as when the energy starts increasing because of meditation, when the unwholesome mental states invade, they also gain intensity, until let go of. So the worst tempered person in the world would be the most intense mystic. Perhaps that is what Jesus ment wih "those who have had most forgiven, loves most", or somehing.
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« Reply #77 on: December 16, 2013, 05:39:32 PM »
Many times on the contemplative path I have had to revisit the same insights and attainments again and again, until they have incarnated fully.

Recently I again discovered what I suspect is the correlation between "awareness of energy" and freedom from fetters/skandas/bad vibes. I'm however not quite sure so I thought i would post it here for feedback.
I have noticed that i can very often choose between an unwholesome mental state and a blissfull sensation of energy. Now this seems to be an easy choice but for me it is a matter of remembering and having available space, like, not being too disturbed. But when i do remember, any mental state can be let go of, and often its source seems to be a kind of enery in the body that is really blissful.
That blissful sensation is very intense and often make me unproportionally and unexpectedly happy, and is very available outside of the stillness of meditation, to the extent of me remembering to let go, all the time.

Is this a reasonable conclusion - the possibility of switching between unwholesome mental states and their underlying bodily energies?

Yes, when you become skillful as a contemplative and mystic you can change energies/moods as easily as changing radio stations.  In fact I brought my prolonged dark night of the soul to an end with this realization.

If so, this would also explain the bad temper and harschness of the mystic, as when the energy starts increasing because of meditation, when the unwholesome mental states invade, they also gain intensity, until let go of. So the worst tempered person in the world would be the most intense mystic. Perhaps that is what Jesus ment wih "those who have had most forgiven, loves most", or somehing.

Well, I believe there is a  better explanation for the occasional ill temper of some mystics, such as myself and Teresa of Avila, who is the patron saint of fowl language in the Catholic Church.  When a mystic finds that the frauds have been all along misdirecting us, and later do everything they can to obstruct our work, then we can get angry, especially when it starts looking like there is absolutely no way we will get our message out to those who want, or need it, most.
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Re: mapelis blog
« Reply #78 on: December 18, 2013, 06:45:19 PM »
Mapeli, your blog has been such a joy to read. Such amazing things you have experienced. Here on I will attempt to follow along and comment when appropriate. Keep it up, friend.

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This sounds like one of my many nights of solo meditation in the desert.  For the last 3 years I have been meditating in the mountains, and I often have a jaguar that has taken interest in my meditations to accompany me as well.  I take him (or her) as a friend, whether hungry or not.  I quite like the idea of being food for an endangered species.

I'm not sure I fully understand this. Are you saying an actual physical north american jaguar will chill with you while you meditate? AND that mapeli witnessed this remotely? Forgive for needing to confirm, but if so, that is remarkable.

(I have many experiences with cats coming out to join me when I meditate outside. I wonder if there is anything to this.)

Again, please forgive the newbie question. Obviously there have been many remarkable posts on this thread, of which I don't have the experience to comment on. Will start my own blog, soon.
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« Reply #79 on: December 21, 2013, 11:46:15 PM »
I'm not sure I fully understand this. Are you saying an actual physical north american jaguar will chill with you while you meditate? AND that mapeli witnessed this remotely? Forgive for needing to confirm, but if so, that is remarkable.

(I have many experiences with cats coming out to join me when I meditate outside. I wonder if there is anything to this.)

Again, please forgive the newbie question. Obviously there have been many remarkable posts on this thread, of which I don't have the experience to comment on. Will start my own blog, soon.
Well, it is hard for anyone to believe, so I wont make a stand on it, but a large black cat about the size of a Great Dane has taken an interest in my for the last few years.  I think it is because it is a predator, and predators sample the urine of their pray, and I happen to be diabetic, which, to a predator, means I am dinner.

Having meditate outdoors in the wilderness for decades to depth means I have had numerous close encounters with wildlife.  I found that if one meditates deeply, for long enough, then creatures just ignore your presence and go about their activities.

What comes to mind right now, is I recall once while meditating at depth hearing the movement of silence coming toward me from the right, then passing over my head, then going to the left.  I know it sounds weird, hearing silence move, but I opened my eyes just as the silence was in front of my face, because it came so close.  It turned out to be a great horned owl that was hunting, and it passed so close to my face that I could have stuck my tongue out and touched it as it passed.  That is when I realized that owls are the "stealth fighters" of nature.  There feathers actually absorb sound so efficiently that one can actually hear them pass in the absence of sound being absorbed by their unique feathers.
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« Reply #80 on: April 23, 2014, 09:30:10 AM »
Its been a while since Ive posted or read here. Ive been avoiding reading too much. More business, less words. There are times for everything.
Recently Ive noticed that the excellent practice of refering to experiences of the religious co templative life to the various religious canons, the idea that Jhananda has been promoting of seeking canonical support, ironically has almost a opposite effect of what I expected. People seems to get more pissed off for each reference.
I need to stop grasping after the idea that most folks are not retards. I also need to stop averting AND grasping my bitterness.

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« Reply #81 on: April 23, 2014, 10:00:50 AM »
I think that most people wants what is best for them and the world simultaneously. This desire is fallacious since it's a desire. I personally do not do that as it is futile. What I would do is find my own happiness first then spread it slowly. Furthermore, I don't really care what others think about me as that would be to conform to what others think which is not fruitful. Cheers

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« Reply #82 on: April 23, 2014, 12:57:23 PM »
Good to hear from you again, mapeli.
Its been a while since Ive posted or read here. Ive been avoiding reading too much. More business, less words. There are times for everything.
Recently Ive noticed that the excellent practice of refering to experiences of the religious co templative life to the various religious canons, the idea that Jhananda has been promoting of seeking canonical support, ironically has almost a opposite effect of what I expected. People seems to get more pissed off for each reference.
I experience that as well, the more I provide a cogent and logically true argument for whatever research I am doing, the more offended people become.
I need to stop grasping after the idea that most folks are not retards.
I had to laugh here, but the fact that people become angry whey anyone provides them with compelling evidence and a cogent and logically true argument only proves that they are profoundly retarded.  Sadly, it is the case for most of the world.  All I can do in the face of consistent rejection is retreat deeper into my solitude.
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« Reply #83 on: April 23, 2014, 04:29:12 PM »
Jeffrey,  You are a scholar and most people do not like a scholar's rational critical thinking because they believe what they believe no matter what... Stu

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« Reply #84 on: April 23, 2014, 05:36:17 PM »
Thank-you Stu.  I agree; however sadly, with your assessment.  My experience shows people just want to believe what they believe, and sadly, they would rather crucify anyone who proves their belief system to be in error.
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« Reply #85 on: July 02, 2014, 05:00:55 AM »
Thank-you Stu.  I agree; however sadly, with your assessment.  My experience shows people just want to believe what they believe, and sadly, they would rather crucify anyone who proves their belief system to be in error.
Oh, how true that is...

And, yes, Mapeli, humans are insane. I used to always be surprised when a human treated me poorly (and I just mean in general, not in regards to discussing the path). I would think "Wait, what could I have possibly done better?" And then I would arrange to interact with them even better. But you know what's funny? After all these years, I realize it only made it worse. And it doesn't matter what I did. I strongly believe what they are actually persecuting and rejecting is my own inner development. Because I look back on all these kind, helpful, supportive things I've done for people, and how they blow up anyway--It's insanity.

Forgive the lack of lucidity in this post. I'm just trying to crank it out quickly. But my point is that humans are mostly, indeed, insane. What I do now is when I meet someone new, I treat them as I would like to be treated. If they persecute me, I give them an opportunity to later explain themselves. If they blow this opportunity, then that's the end of my willing relationship with them. I will not treat them poorly, but I will not spend time with them if I don't have to.

And, yeah--most people from my past fell away. They're gone, after making it clear where they stood. Some grew with me. And many other new ones were attracted to me, and I to them. I just keep growing. Some grow with me, but some still fall away. I just keep growing. Or, rather, ungrowing. LOL.

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« Reply #86 on: July 02, 2014, 12:27:47 PM »
... my point is that humans are mostly, indeed, insane. What I do now is when I meet someone new, I treat them as I would like to be treated. If they persecute me, I give them an opportunity to later explain themselves. If they blow this opportunity, then that's the end of my willing relationship with them. I will not treat them poorly, but I will not spend time with them if I don't have to.

And, yeah--most people from my past fell away. They're gone, after making it clear where they stood. Some grew with me. And many other new ones were attracted to me, and I to them. I just keep growing. Some grow with me, but some still fall away. I just keep growing. Or, rather, ungrowing. LOL.
Yes, I too have followed this lifestyle.  It has led me away from my family and friends into isolation, which I prefer over abuse.
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« Reply #87 on: March 20, 2021, 04:53:51 AM »
Dear Sanga

I’m rebooting this blog.

Shortly after I stopped writing I met my wife, and we started a family.

I already lived a double life if you will, in that I was also interested in Churchianity, as a hope to get external support for my inner experiences, and also, primarily, to feel less lonely. Church at the time and place was disproportionately good. I connected with a few fellow contemplatives, and in many ways got to externalize, or birth, my spiritual life. Been born and raised an atheist, having hardly ever met anyone but atheists, in a 100% secularized country, meeting others was a powerful thing for me at that time. Of little surprise to this congregation it eventually dried up. I had gotten the important connections I needed up front and the rest of it eventually seemed like little more than a sort of day care center.

I started investigating the more hard-core alternatives, such as the orthodox church and certainly thought I got something out of reading the mystics and the church fathers. But I couldn’t, and cannot, bring myself to convert and adapt all that religious behaviour. And I can’t help thinking they don’t teach the real stuff.

I also ended up spending quiet some time in 12-step fellowships, coming from a dysfunctional family and at one point needed to stop over-use of alcohol and cannabis.

I think that both of those adventures in the end was more about loneliness than anything else.

That taken together with the family life I gradually drifted away from my daily meditation practice.  I knew when Jhanananda wrote up above that what remains now is keeping it up, that I would not be able to.  I don’t know when I stopped. The charisms never left me. The inner silence never ceased. Or, the at least it was always accessible to me.

I think perhaps that I was not done with life. I would look at even some of the worst of my friends, a no-good divorced father comes to mind, and think that although most of his life is one big mistake, he gets to spend time with his son every other weekend. He had someone to love and care for, and live for. I think I put out the intension to the universe that I also wanted to make such mistakes.

And traversing and investigating the religious belongings available to me might seem like a strange step for this sangha, but my first real major break-through experience did have very distinct and intense Christian themes, so I felt obligated to investigate. And the 12-step movement does, supposedly, claim to be about meditation and surrender. And the insight and intuition that follows from what rigorous contemplative practice I had had up to that point, allow me to see the truth in much of the symbol space, and the good ideas behind the form. I thought I could navigate that without falling asleep but I’m not sure I was able to.

When I met my wife she thought I was so pleasant to be around because at that point I was doing an hour, at least, of meditation morning and evening, and was spacing out often during the day as well. I recently read a thread here on the forum about how things turns out serendipitous for the practitioner of Jhana-meditation and so it was for me as well, to her amazement. I realized I needed a job if we were starting a family, and right after a friend came up to me and offered me a job. I wanted a better job, that had some of this and that, and I was offered a job that matched exactly. That last job had the added benefit of bringing me to the US. One of my many reasons for writing now is to reconnect with this forum in the hope of catching a retreat and get to sit with Jhanananda in person one day. I hope it will play out.

The years went by and all my clinging after belonging and religious ritual eventually has plunged me to a state where just reading about my previous accomplishments on this blog is something I both cringe and dread doing.

Just before the big lock-down of COVID my wife was diagnosed with Cancer. A bad one. Our marriage was already not in tip top shape, but this challenge made things way worse. She went through enormous amounts of treatment and suffering and none of us handled it very well. I started over using THC again and eventually all type of inner work faded away and I would cry every night at what had been lost and about my powerlessness to do something about it. I was on the receiving end of much of my wife’s frustrations, especially after having decided to focus on keeping the kids afloat, as I saw that they were not doing great under our circumstances.

At the very bottom I decided to start praying and meditating again, despite the challenging circumstances. As life slowly got less intensely painful, a little bit of maneuvering space allowed me to start the awakening negotiations again, to re-evaluate.

Churchianity had been almost completely useless during this time as they all seem to be stuck in a chess game between various non-fruitful activities and perspectives. But this one time I felt a tug to go to a service. As per usual I sat in the back meditating, when I realize I had been called there because some discarnated (? - no longer living among us) spirits of people was hiding under the church. It was as if there was a portal to the under-world under  the benches ahead of me, in the back. A little girl reached out to me and I reached up to the light and helped guide her home. Some sprits in the light above came and greeted her and the delight they felt to be re-united still gives me goose-bumbs and makes my heart sing. My body was pulsating with that energy all the way home. That has happened a few more times. But I can’t help feeling sad that no one in the congregation had picked up on it.

After that I had absolutely no desire to go again so I figured my adventures in Church is over. Even the fathers I liked to read talk and talk about the purification of the soul and all the do’s and don’ts, and oh me what a sinner I am, and fasting and all of that. But they don’t mention all of that fruit is a consequence of a skillfully navigated contemplative life. Probably because they don’t know. They get the cart before the horse. Or at least the teachings that reaches us has not made me much smarter.

I happened to live in these end-times when there was internet. And my friends happened to find the GWV. And this guys says that he doesn’t loose consciousness when he sleeps. Or ever. That is still the most amazing thing I know of. That it is possible, and that the road to that is made clear. So clear.

Throughout these years, all of the GWV has for me boiled down to two teachings. “The Joyful Home of the Way”. And the parable of the good chef. Or whatever it is called. The idea of being able too “cook” or “work on” ones inner experience seems so trivial it’s almost mundane. It’s so “given”. Yet people not only resist it, but pretend like it’s not a possibility. But it is a possibility, so what is the recipe to cook with then? Well, it starts with joy. It’s the Joyful home of the way. And supposedly it ends in a humorous nothingness.

I started lurking on the forum again. A tad anxious of the harshness of the teachings here. But I’ve come to agree. I tried to save religion. I tried to save some of society. But it’s all rotten to the core. And that is a blessing, because what remains standing becomes more clear. Even though I hope a time will come when the path will be less lonely.

After making it my daily reading to lurk here, I started picking up some good ideas I hadn’t heard before. And then after a while, while reading through a thread of one such idea, someone references me being part of a discussion of something. I found that comical and I realized that someone had gotten something out of me writing here. So perhaps I should start participating again.

And just reading a little bit up in this thread, Jhananda points out how his dark night of the soul ended. The insight discussed there, although cloaked in my confused ramblings, and his confirmation of it, that’s major stuff. It is as if things are just where I left them. I picked up that insight and am trying to saturate my daily life with it. I truly can separate from, or transmute, negative emotional states by meditating on where they are in the body, while reframing my thoughts. That ability and many, many more is a gift from practicing these meditation techniques taught here, and I’ve come to learn that the doors that are opened are not accessible to all. Or, they are if they would practice. But they are the fruits of meditation and a “rigorous contemplative life”, that no one seems interested in.

So I started practice more rigorously again. My body is not used to the longer sits, and it took a while to remember what height of cushion works best. But the Jhanas are where I left them. And the charisms. The “oil” floating down the temples. The top of the forehead cracking open. The unification of the various qualities in to one. The unified sensory experience becoming one and suddenly popping into a distinctly more fine tuned one, as if from begin a landscape, to gravel, to dust. The coming and going of the depth of the Jhanas, like waves. The transmuting of caffeinated stress into almost an elongated orgasm.

But I don’t have the time or space. I have two small kids, a sick wife and a very busy company. I have not skillfully navigated this. Jhanananda says “dumpster living” at a certain point. And I go fill up my calendar for 20 years to come. I’m a tinge ashamed, and this is in part a confession. But there is peace and surrender at the bottom. Even if I have to live many more life-times I will make this one count. Even if I end up in the depths of hell, the prescription is the same. I will meditate.

Because I don’t have much time, I’m trying to prepare for the next steps by way of insight in between sessions. Prepare to see this body as something other than me. Prepare to the best of my ability to not get sucked into the beauty of the temptations of this world. I try to live at peace even with the cockroaches in my kitchen. But I also do not want my discipline to backfire so I’m trying to walk the middle path and play the long game.

And my game have to be saturation. I meditate while putting the kids to bed to have a good groove going before sitting down on the cusion. I meditate in secrecy standing up many, many times a day. Just drop in to the ecstasies and  soak a little, then on with my day. Seclusion is not an option for me, but stability is. And I’ve noticed that since I rebooted this practice, that the Jhanas start coming to me without my volition as well.

I want to learn more about what the Buddha said, and perhaps one day try to become a meditation teacher of the GWV. But I’ve tried so hard to keep an intact idea about religion alive in myself, that now I cannot bring myself to become a serious student of Buddhism. I seem to have fully embraced both a dualistic and a non-dualistic world-view and I don’t have any issues with that. I think I’m too confused for religious studies, and I really don’t want to learn new things. But I am thinking about the whole of the system he thought, and I wish I could get it to me on a single page or a book that wasn’t too terribly corrupt. But for now I’m re-reading all the GWV texts and I am content with that, as I read very slowly. But I would lie if I said the Noble Eightfold Path wasn’t on my mind. The phrase I mean. I wonder what it is. I guess I have to start study at some point.

I’m depressed and disillusioned and probably a bit bitter. Maybe even angry and sad. But that’s superficially, and I almost don’t care bout it. It is almost as if it acts as a shield to world. And inside of it I am ecstatic and happy and at peace, and have no clue what is going on.

But I know how to survive if my wife dies. I will meditate, an hour both in the morning and in the evening, and all will be well.

Forever (seriously) grateful to Jeffrey and the GWV.

I guess this blog is officially rebooted. This is my recommitment to the life of the mystic.
A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, "You are mad; you are not like us." - st. Anthony the great

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« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2021, 05:01:11 AM »
There was a time at which I felt the amount of truth that needed to be told to traverse the throat chakra was daunting. But now most people think I have some degree of Aspergers, because I’m so direct. I mention this to high-light progress. That some of it happens gradually over time and I can only see the change when looking back.

I am curious about the phenomena of being visited by the discarnated spirits both from above and from below. The thing I mentioned above in church has happened a few more times, and each time I feel so blessed to be able to be of service like that.

I have also had visitations the other way. A guy I hardly know at work, his mother came to me and explained that she had intended to say something to him but died before she could. That was an awkward conversation starter at the office but I followed through.

I wonder if those things are considered a part of the way of the mystic. I can’t help feeling like a strange person in one of those TV shows. Perhaps I should start selling “energy cleansings” and “tarot readings” and wear strange clothes. :)

Surely I will regret sharing this and all else above, but life is not about being perfect. Shame and regret will get to me either way. “For every word you will be held accountable” or what was it now.
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« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2021, 12:22:55 PM »
Welcome back Mapeli.  It is good that you are returning to the contemplative life.  I found the spiritual journey is something we do in between when life is happening and sometimes takes us astray, but if we just keep coming back we may not lose so much ground, and might be able to to keep making progress.

It would be very nice to sit in meditation with you at a retreat; however, I have been far too ill to lead a retreat for about 10 years and now regret having led some in that time.  Others will have to step forward and carry the gantlet forward. And, perhaps you noticed that a few of our most senior members have permanently left the body, and I am surely not far behind.

You mentioned returning to the Church.  Perhaps you notice our recent dialog here regarding the origins of contemplative Christianity.  It of course starts with Jesus, and necessitates a retranslation of the Bible and New Testament.  And, it goes through the thread of the Apostle Thomas, and Eastern Christianity, and Arianism.

So, it is good to read you have been reading here, and that you are returning to the contemplative life.  We are going to want someone to take over after I am gone, which is surely soon.  So, perhaps it will be you.  I would like a community of senior contemplatives to take over, and it should be soon, because I am definitely running out of time.
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