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Re: Jhanon's Philosophical Writings
« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2014, 12:17:16 AM »
Right. What was I to do? In the middle of the paper "Okay, now direct your mind to your breathing. Do you feel a presence inside your body?" Yeah, no. That is a risk I wasn't willing to take. I need the money they give me for good grades.

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The Problem of Perception
« Reply #61 on: August 20, 2014, 10:08:14 PM »
This is my graded final paper for Philosophy. I have inserted the professor's objections. What do you think?

The Problem of Perception

The problem I have chosen is the issue of perception and how its ignorance imposes restriction on our ability to see life clearly, thus leading to all conflict and suffering.

Although how perception arises is a complex issue, we may simplify it for the requested brevity of this assignment. Perception arises from our mind, which is filled with unconscious and conscious thoughts, memories, and other accumulated conditioning factors. A narrow example is given by A.D. Smith as “any perceptual situation in which a physical object is actually perceived, but in which that object perceptually appears other than it really is” (Smith 2002: 23). For example, a white wall in yellow light can look yellow; a sweet drink can taste sour if one has just eaten something sweeter.” My position on this is to provide evidence and reasoning which shows the wide-spread ignorance in perception, and how it is the highest priority for humanity to address. Objection 1: How in the world could we do this if we are subject to systematic and widespread error in perception?

For sake of argument, let us use the simile of a pool of water. The pool is the mind. Perception is what a human sees when they attempt to view life through the reflection of that mind pool of water. The unconscious mind and its activity are currents at the bottom of the pool, which affect the subconscious and conscious mind currents near the surface of the pool. Thoughts are waves upon the surface.  As a human views life through the reflection of this pool, it will naturally be skewed by any undercurrents in the unconscious and subconscious.

For example, let's say we have many negative and painful experiences with religion and spirituality when we are young. These experiences are deposited in our unconscious memory at the bottom of the pool. When later on in life we experience (become conscious) of something religious, this will cause the unconscious conditioning factors, like those memories, to create disturbances from the currents of the unconscious mind. Ordinarily, these disturbances will rise to the surface, and mingle with our conscious mind, eventually giving rise to ripples or waves of thought at the surface. The surface of the pool is now filled with disturbance, and is reflecting our distorted perception of this experience involving religion in a negative way.

To put this even simpler, let’s assume you see me and I appear to be agitated. You ask what is wrong, and I punch you in the face. We eventually resolve the issue amicably and leave each other in good moods. The next day when we first meet, I appear to be agitated as I spread my feet, and begin to generate momentum. Your initial perception is that I’m going to punch you. You may flinch or even cover yourself with your arms. But all I was doing was attempting to pop my back by swinging my arms and torso. The pain from it was causing the agitation on my face. Objection 2: OK...but aren't you describing that perception can be complex...why is that philosophically significant?

We spend our time studying the world around us, trying to “figure life out”, and sustain ourselves, but the greatest source of danger and area of the need for development is the mind and its faculties which we’ve discussed so far. The Buddha said “Mind is the forerunner of all things.” We’re drowning in the pools of our own minds.

An objection to my position is that I am relying on perception (the reflection of my mind pool) to form my argument. Thus, it could be said that I am a victim of my own argument. My argument could then be considered self-destructed. This objection is not as critical as it may seem. It still shows the problem of perception by creating a conflict in the form of disagreement based on perceptions. Objection 3: I'm not sure I understand your response here....it isn't clear how this refutes the objection. The objection you refer to simply states if perception is riddled with errors and is systematically wrong then we can't use it to argue against it, right?

One might then form an objection and state it is based on “fact.” Let’s consider this further. As often as I have used this example, it is like the one-time held fact that the world is flat. Individuals walked the earth, and it seemed flat, save some mountains and canyons. They walked as far as they could, and it continued to seem flat. Almost everyone on the planet had conditioning memories in their mind of the planet being flat. So it became "fact" since their perceptions, formed both by experience and critical thinking, coincided with the majority. We later discovered the world to be round, through critical thinking and direct experience. This then became “fact.” How soon before we have new “facts” about the Earth? Objection 4: But the analogy fails doesn't it...? After all, we changed beliefs because of empirical study. In fact, historically we exaggerate the extent to which people thought the world was flat.

So, basing an objection to my argument on "fact" is still an attempt to object through limited perception. The only difference is it is a commonly held perception, but as we saw in the "earth is flat" example; that doesn't mean it is accurate. Friedrich Nietzsche said “All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.” Objection 5: I think you are misunderstanding the objection...it is showing your view is internally inconsistent (or trying to)...your response would only possibly work if they were showing your view was externally inconsistent.

The point is this; ignorant perception causes conflict. Wherever there is conflict, there will be a limited perception. How could it not be? If a reader objects to what was just said, then it just proves the problem again. Unless of course they are objecting, yet agree with the argument. Objection 6: So is your view then supposed to be irrefutable by definition? That seems odd.

Siddhartha Gautama (The Buddha) re-affirms this by explaining conditioned experience to be a hindrance in seeing the world as it actually is. What he taught was a gradual and comprehensive process of bypassing, unlearning and eventually eliminating the conditions and conditioning which cause ignorant perception.

I can’t prove the problem of perception and the mind through intellectual means because what I’ve written must first be perceived by the reader. That’s like attempting to explain deafness over the phone to someone who is deaf and doesn’t know it. To be successful would require the persons to have access to other sensory experience, like vision.

Final Comments of Professor: I think you have a good idea for a paper here. But it seems clear you grossly misunderstand the nature of the objection you mention being raised to your view.

My response to his objections: That's a limited perception.

What about you? Remember, this is a philosophy paper. And my effort is to just barely stay within the confines of Philosophy, but gently nudge the reader's mind toward realizing the mind needs to be trained. Had I not been concerned with grade, I would have written much more, like giving examples of how our minds lead to wars, famines, and other insanity. I also would have mentioned meditative absorption.

I think I give other readers too much credit. I presume, if they are of high enough discernment, they will be able to connect the dots. That, or I need to write a book length paper to make it clear.

And why does any of this matter? The same reason why it's important to have ads in commercials, on busses, and the internet. The more branches available, the easier a tree is to climb. In other words; providing stimulating or unusual content from various fields, like anthropology, philosophy, and chemistry, will bring others closer to discernment and Dhamma. Fortunately, we don't have to use any religious or spiritual teachings or teachers. We can just point inward, like I attempted in my paper. I mean, if everything in your life experience literally had "Look inside your mind" written on it, maybe that would work?
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Re: Jhanon's Philosophical Writings
« Reply #62 on: August 20, 2014, 10:35:44 PM »
There's some kind of problem here, though. I mean that I don't feel like I am accessing the Dhamma when I write stuff like this. Or, at least it's not Dhamma. But, when I talk to Cal, sometimes Dhamma comes out and I'm like "woah." I don't do it. It just comes out. It's amazing. It seems to only occur in real-time discussion. I really think we need a chat function or something that retains anonymity but is real-time like a chat room.
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Re: Jhanon's Philosophical Writings
« Reply #63 on: August 20, 2014, 11:52:48 PM »
I agree that perception leads to a nonrealistic interpretation of the world. In some cases it can be the cause of suffering. So we shouldn't take these sensory interpretations as being a true picture of whatever it is we perceive.

To abide in a state of non-duality free from perception is freedom from suffering and offers a realistic view of the world free from judgment and interpretation. All the great spiritual teachers recognize this.

Perception is often not mentioned in Dependent Origination, but it's between 'Feeling' and 'Craving.' A state of non-duality, which is void of perception, prevents 'Feeling' from turning into 'Craving' thus breaking the chain of Dependent Origination.

 6 sense Bases  >  Contact  >   Feeling  >  Perception  > Craving  > Clinging  >  Becoming  > Birth  >  Aging and Death  > Suffering

However, we still need perception to function in the physical world. But we should understand its limitations.
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Re: Jhanon's Philosophical Writings
« Reply #64 on: August 21, 2014, 12:24:01 AM »
Quote from: B. Bodhi on Papanca: conceptual proliferation
What brings the field of experience into focus and makes it accessible to insight is a mental faculty called in Pali sati, usually translated as "mindfulness." Mindfulness is presence of mind, attentiveness or awareness. Yet the kind of awareness involved in mindfulness differs profoundly from the kind of awareness at work in our usual mode of consciousness . All consciousness involves awareness in the sense of a knowing or experiencing of an object. But with the practice of mindfulness awareness is applied at a special pitch. The mind is deliberately kept at the level of bare attention, a detached observation of what is happening within us and around us in the present moment.
   In the practice of right mindfulness the mind is trained to remain in the present, open, quiet, and alert, contemplating the present event. All judgements and interpretations have to be suspended, or if they occur, just registered and dropped. The task is simply to note whatever comes up just as it is occurring, riding the changes of events in the way a surfer rides the waves on the sea. The whole process is a way of coming back into the present, of standing in the here and now without slipping away, without getting swept away by the tides of distracting thoughts.
   It might be assumed that we are always aware of the present, but this is a mirage. Only seldom do we become aware of the present in the precise way required by the practice of mindfulness. In ordinary consciousness the mind begins a cognitive process with some impression given in the present, but it does not stay with it. Instead it uses the immediate impression as a springboard for building blocks of mental constructs which remove it from the sheer facticity of the datum. The cognitive process is generally interpretative. The mind perceives its object free from conceptualization only briefly. Then, immediately after grasping the initial impression, it launches on a course of ideation by which it seeks to interpret the object to itself, to make it intelligible in terms of its own categories and assumptions. To bring this about the mind posits concepts, joins the concepts into constructs -- sets of mutually corroborative concepts -- then weaves the constructs together into complex interpretative schemes. In the end the original direct experience has been overrun by ideation and the presented object appears only dimly through dense layers of ideas and views, like the moon through a layer of clouds.
   The Buddha calls this process of mental construction papanca, "elaboration," "embellishment," or "conceptual proliferation." The elaborations block out the presentational immediacy of phenomena; they let us know the object only "at a distance," not as it really is. But the elaborations do not only screen cognition; they also serve as a basis for projections. The deluded mind, cloaked in ignorance, projects its own internal constructs outwardly, ascribing them to the object as if they really belonged to it. As a result, what we know as the final object of cognition, what we use as the basis for our values, plans, and actions, is a patchwork product, not the original article. To be sure, the product is not wholly illusion, not sheer fantasy. It takes what is given in immediate experience as its groundwork and raw material, but along with this it includes something else: the embellishments fabricated by the mind.
   The springs for this process of fabrication, hidden from view, are the latent defilements. The defilements create the embellishments, project them outwardly, and use them as hooks for coming to the surface, where they cause further distortion. To correct the erroneous notions is the task of wisdom, but for wisdom to discharge its work effectively, it needs direct access to the object as it is in itself, uncluttered by the conceptual elaborations. The task of right mindfulness is to clear up the cognitive field. Mindfulness brings to light experience in its pure immediacy. It reveals the object as it is before it has been plastered over with conceptual paint, overlaid with interpretations. To practice mindfulness is thus a matter not so much of doing but of undoing: not thinking, not judging, not associating, not planning, not imagining, not wishing. All these "doings" of ours are modes of interference, ways the mind manipulates experience and tries to establish its dominance. Mindfulness undoes the knots and tangles of these "doings" by simply noting. It does nothing but note, watching each occasion of experience as it arises, stands, and passes away. In the watching there is no room for clinging, no compulsion to saddle things with our desires. There is only a sustained contemplation of experience in its bare immediacy, carefully and precisely and persistently
   Mindfulness exercises a powerful grounding function. It anchors the mind securely in the present, so it does not float away into the past and future with their memories, regrets, fears and hopes.

Bodhi, Bhikkhu (2011-12-15). The Noble Eightfold Path: Way to the End of Suffering (p. 75- 77). Independent Publishers Group. Kindle Edition.

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Re: Jhanon's Philosophical Writings
« Reply #65 on: August 22, 2014, 05:40:20 AM »
We have the free will to choose enslavement to the cunning illusions of mind, or surrender to the Transcendent Ineffable of which we've so very many names for.

This is what I would have posted on the subject of free will in Philosophy if I didn't need an A. I don't even know if it's accurate. It just came out.

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Re: Jhanon's Philosophical Writings
« Reply #66 on: August 22, 2014, 05:43:45 AM »
Oh, and Michel, I have suspended my feelings on Bhikkhu Bodhi. Although I feel like I sometimes wander into his writing style, which I feel isn't ideal (on my part.)

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Re: Jhanon's Philosophical Writings
« Reply #67 on: August 22, 2014, 12:24:48 PM »
Bodhi can be pretty thick at times, in fact impossible to understand. But I thought what he wrote on mindfulness, perception and conceptual proliferation in the above post was very good. And I agree with you that a writing style that is clear to all is the best way to go

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Re: Jhanon's Philosophical Writings
« Reply #68 on: August 22, 2014, 12:31:59 PM »
We have the free will to choose enslavement to the cunning illusions of mind, or surrender to the Transcendent Ineffable of which we've so very many names for.

This is what I would have posted on the subject of free will in Philosophy if I didn't need an A. I don't even know if it's accurate. It just came out.
What a dilemma it is that you are forced to choose between good grades and what you believe is relevant and important knowledge.

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Re: Jhanon's Philosophical Writings
« Reply #69 on: August 22, 2014, 01:56:37 PM »
The Bhudda's simile on perception where he likens perception to a mirage:

“Suppose, bhikkhus, that in the last month of the hot season, at high noon, a shimmering mirage appears. A man with good sight would inspect it, ponder it, and carefully investigate it, and it would appear to him to be void, hollow, insubstantial. For what substance could there be in a mirage? So too, bhikkhus, whatever kind of perception there is, whether past, future, or present, internal or external, gross or subtle, inferior or superior, far or near: a bhikkhu inspects it, ponders it, and carefully investigates it, and it would appear to him to be void, hollow, insubstantial. For what substance could there be in perception?

From the Lump of Foam sutta, SN 22:95
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Re: Jhanon's Philosophical Writings
« Reply #70 on: August 22, 2014, 02:42:23 PM »
Not to be overly succinct: but I agree with all the above posts.

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Re: Jhanon's Philosophical Writings
« Reply #71 on: September 07, 2014, 02:38:14 AM »
I think it might be better to offer a solution to their problem.  Say, unhappiness (dhukka), you then explain the 4 noble truth, which direct people then to the N8P.  Then you offer them the GWV's version of the N8P, so that they can see a logical sequence between following an N8P that actually gets to bliss, which replaces the depression; because without bliss there is no replacement for depression.

I don't think I responded to this, Jhananda. Yes. There is no replacement for depression without bliss. And everything must be replaced with something, correct?

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Re: Jhanon's Philosophical Writings
« Reply #72 on: September 07, 2014, 04:23:17 AM »
I agree that perception leads to a nonrealistic interpretation of the world. In some cases it can be the cause of suffering. So we shouldn't take these sensory interpretations as being a true picture of whatever it is we perceive.

To abide in a state of non-duality free from perception is freedom from suffering and offers a realistic view of the world free from judgment and interpretation. All the great spiritual teachers recognize this.

Perception is often not mentioned in Dependent Origination, but it's between 'Feeling' and 'Craving.' A state of non-duality, which is void of perception, prevents 'Feeling' from turning into 'Craving' thus breaking the chain of Dependent Origination.

 6 sense Bases  >  Contact  >   Feeling  >  Perception  > Craving  > Clinging  >  Becoming  > Birth  >  Aging and Death  > Suffering

However, we still need perception to function in the physical world. But we should understand its limitations.

Michel, this was very useful and insightful. I am sorry I was so absorbed that I missed it earlier.

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Re: Jhanon's Philosophical Writings
« Reply #73 on: September 09, 2014, 11:33:17 PM »
What we perceive is an illusion, isn't it?

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Re: Jhanon's Philosophical Writings
« Reply #74 on: September 09, 2014, 11:37:30 PM »
Oh man :) Michel...great question xD