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Re: Income Inequality in America
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2014, 05:31:47 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2014, 05:37:25 AM »
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Re: Income Inequality in America
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2014, 08:27:43 PM »
Excerpt from a Chris Hedges, journalist and writer, interview titled  America is a Tinderbox:

"... we have allowed ourselves to embrace an ideology which, at its core, states that all governance is about maximizing corporate profit at the expense of the citizenry. For what do we have structures of government, for what do we have institutions of state, if not to hold up all the citizenry, and especially the most vulnerable?

You know, if you go back and look at the 1980s in especially the Scandinavian countries, they eradicated poverty, virtually. I lived in Switzerland, I studied French in Switzerland, and there were no homeless. The mentally ill were taken care of. It has, arguably, one of the best health-care systems in the world. My oldest son was born in Lausanne. And that was--it's actually a privatized system, but it's heavily regulated. Everybody pays into it, but everybody has health insurance. Senior public school teachers earned about as much as doctors."

And with the wealth given to us as Americans, we could have eradicated poverty. We could have created a country that was much different than what we have created. And what's happening now is that we are being rapidly reconfigured into a kind of neo-feudal society, an oligarchic society where increasingly the bottom two-thirds of Americans are hanging on by their fingertips. You have a shrinking, diminishing middle class and an elite that is just making obscene amounts of money at our expense.

And you can't sustain--first of all, you can't sustain a democracy in an oligarchy. That's not a new idea. Thucydides wrote about that about ancient Athens. But secondly, because there are no self-imposed limits--and in this sense Karl Marx was right, that unfettered, unregulated capitalism, especially on a global scale, is a revolutionary force. They will push and push and push until there is a backlash.

And I think part of what we're seeing with the security and surveillance state is a preparation for that backlash--the destruction of civil liberties, which has been brutal, the wholesale surveillance and monitoring of, you know, virtually every American citizen, which I think many of us suspected and Edward Snowden, through his disclosures to Glenn Greenwald of The Guardian, made, you know, palpably real. The National Defense Authorization Act. And I sued the president in the Southern District Court of New York, and I won. We're now--the Obama administration has appealed it. But this permits the military to seize, arrest American citizens, strip them of due process, and hold them in military detention centers, including our offshore penal colonies in places like Guantanamo or Bagram. And when Judge Katherine Forrest wrote her 112-page opinion, which I think is worth reading, she actually brings up the plight of the 110,000 Japanese Americans who were interned during World War II and stripped of due process and said that this provision in the NDAA essentially allows the state to criminalize an entire group of people and lock them away without any legal redress. And they know what's coming. The NSA has run all sorts of scenarios on economic collapse, and especially climate change. And they're preparing."

Full video with transcripts of "America is a Tinderbox": http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=10461
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Re: Income Inequality in America
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2014, 10:32:30 PM »
Chris Hedges is a great author. I think we discussed before how I suspect he is a nonreturner. Unfortunately what he says is true. The country is being radically reconfigured into a feudal society. There will be a small number of people who are born into unprecedented wealth, and who will always turn a profit due to capital investment. Meanwhile, everyone else will live at the poverty level or subsistence. At the same time, if you dare to question what's happening you're a communist or a leftist.
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Re: Income Inequality in America
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2014, 10:40:21 PM »
It's incredible that he actually sued the president over the indefinite detention and torture of Americans act and won, although the Obama administration appealed it. He is truly an extraordinary human being.

see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedges_v._Obama
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Re: Income Inequality in America
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2014, 12:42:39 AM »
My solution to observed Income Inequality in America, and a decline of civil rights is to give up everything, become a mendicant, and spend as much time as possible in the wilderness.  Try it.
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Re: Income Inequality in America
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2014, 06:14:49 AM »
Information and discussion like this create a lot of anxiety for me. I know about most of this, as i think most reasonably intelligent Americans do. But there's an interesting mix of response. In my personal experience with actual people I know; There's the "patriots" which are fighting the government at every turn.

Then there are the grassroots, which are going the way of education , awareness, sulf-sustenance, efficiency, and a return to bartering and not doing business with any big corporations which they can reasonably avoid. I think that's probably the most ideal approach for an average citizen, considering lasting change comes from within the individual, not from beating the government over the head with a club and complaints.

Then there is the new age/Tolle/spiritualists who contend that lending darkness to darkness cannot possibly lead to a brighter future, which is essentially rebuking every approach except the grassroots kind I just described. They are interested in pioneering new grassroots means, the re-introduction of spirituality to America, and augmenting grassroots. They're the cheerleaders

There is, of course, many other modalities--like the vast population of mentally and physically disabled, which has exploded through our societies ideals. But the top three are what I experience normally.

I agree with you, Jhananda, regarding a mendicant wilderness lifestyle. Out of all the friends and acquaintances I have, I can say they are all heading in that way in at least a few forms. But I live in a more progressive area of the US.  There seems to be Vermont, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado leading the way. Although from what I can see, Canada isn't doing too bad in terms of nearby countries that speak English and have more optimistic futures.

Around the time I had an explosion of spiritual experiences and development (upon reading Eckhart Tolle's book) I was made aware of just how deep the poison goes in America. Often times I tried to raise the money for a passport in the case I would need to quickly evacuate the country. Two of my friends actually did.

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Re: Income Inequality in America
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2014, 07:55:14 AM »
I was reading some of Walt Whitman's poems the other day, and I was struck by how optimistic he was about the United States and its future. It is such a stark contrast to the country today.

It is impossible in a few words to express what the problems are. The country is possessed by a vast sickness. In many ways it is a schizophrenic nation. What is unfortunate is I talk to hard right-wingers, who understand and are able to express what the problems are. But they vote in a heavy Republican House, that blocks every bill that comes up.

I do not think religion can redeem the nation either. God was dead when the country was founded. And spirituality is no good because it is not rigorous enough, it dilutes into a mass of self-help nonsense for people.

My hope is the average person gets fed up, and is able to see inequality as the key issue. A lot of the anger is put onto other things. Inequality is at the center of every problem in the U.S.
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Re: Income Inequality in America
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2014, 08:18:27 AM »
On a related note, I was reflecting a bit about when great spiritual people emerge in nations:

* Jesus Christ, 1st century AD (peak of antique Rome)

* St. John of the Cross, late 16th century (The reign of Phillip II, peak of Spanish Empire)

* Jhanananda and GWV group, early 21st century (peak of the United States?)

As you can tell I am also quite a believer in our group here. Haha.

It appears spiritual people appear at the peak of a nation before it starts to decline.
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Re: Income Inequality in America
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2014, 12:00:10 PM »
Being an anthropologist with degrees in English and art I received the history of western civilization in spades.  What I got out of spending so much time examining the history of western civilization, is all empires collapse, and the cause of the collapse is nearly always the same. 

The collapse of a nation or empire always begins with the wealthy acquiring all of the resources for themselves, and leaving the masses to starve.  The masses rise up against the hegemonic nobility, leaving the nation disorganized in rebellion and weakened for outside invasion, which comes, extracts all of the wealth and leaves the nation in ruins.  Persia, Greece and Rome are classic examples.
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Re: Income Inequality in America
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2014, 12:51:03 PM »
Everybody Knows - Lyrics by Leonard Cohen

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
 Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
 Everybody knows that the war is over
 Everybody knows the good guys lost
 Everybody knows the fight was fixed
 The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
 Thats how it goes
 Everybody knows

 Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
 Everybody knows that the captain lied
 Everybody got this broken feeling
 Like their father or their dog just died

 Everybody talking to their pockets
 Everybody wants a box of chocolates
 And a long stem rose
 Everybody knows

 Everybody knows that you love me baby
 Everybody knows that you really do
 Everybody knows that youve been faithful
 Ah give or take a night or two
 Everybody knows youve been discreet
 But there were so many people you just had to meet
 Without your clothes
 And everybody knows

 Everybody knows, everybody knows
 Thats how it goes
 Everybody knows

 Everybody knows, everybody knows
 Thats how it goes
 Everybody knows

 And everybody knows that it's now or never
 Everybody knows that it's me or you
 And everybody knows that you live forever
 Ah when youve done a line or two
 Everybody knows the deal is rotten
 Old black Joe's still pickin cotton
 For your ribbons and bows
 And everybody knows

 And everybody knows that the plague is coming
 Everybody knows that it's moving fast
 Everybody knows that the naked man and woman
 Are just a shining artifact of the past
 Everybody knows the scene is dead
 But theres gonna be a meter on your bed
 That will disclose
 What everybody knows

 And everybody knows that you're in trouble
 Everybody knows what youve been through
 From the bloody cross on top of Calvary
 To the beach of Malibu
 Everybody knows it's coming apart
 Take one last look at this sacred heart
 Before it blows
 And everybody knows

 Everybody knows, everybody knows
 Thats how it goes
 Everybody knows

 Oh everybody knows, everybody knows
 Thats how it goes
 Everybody knows

 Everybody knows
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Re: Income Inequality in America
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2014, 02:08:58 AM »
Thank-you, Michel, I have often find I liked the music of Leonard Cohen.  This piece is pretty insightful about the mad pursuit of the deadly sins/hindrances.  The Income Inequality in America is about so many in the mad pursuit of greed, which causes suffering for others.  So, those who find suffering need only give up their craving for what they cannot have, and lead a fruitful contemplative life.
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Re: Income Inequality in America
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2014, 04:09:07 AM »
Thank-you, Michel, I have often find I liked the music of Leonard Cohen.  This piece is pretty insightful about the mad pursuit of the deadly sins/hindrances.  The Income Inequality in America is about so many in the mad pursuit of greed, which causes suffering for others.  So, those who find suffering need only give up their craving for what they cannot have, and lead a fruitful contemplative life.

That seems to be the gist of it. And honestly? I'm happier than everyone I know with more money than me. I've often reflected upon the pronounced double-edged blade of currency.

In my experience, it's valuable to have a little more than enough (which to me is what most American's consider "living paycheck to paycheck"), and then lose everything. In poverty, we have a greater capacity for spiritual progress, yet likelihood of physical illness. In wealth, we have a great capacity for physical health, yet likelihood of spiritual illness.

So, I think it's clear, Alexander, why America might be in a position for spiritual upliftment--and I was often "certain" it was a "sure thing." These days I don't think about it. I just do what I can, for anyone I can, whenever I can.