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Re: "Authentic Meditative Absorption" (a booklet in process)
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2014, 11:15:51 PM »
Actually, this can be done. I will modify it.

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Re: "Authentic Meditative Absorption" (a booklet in process)
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2014, 11:19:07 PM »
Michel, I think it is wise to add that to a "troubleshooting" section that will follow in the next part of the book, or be a separate booklet. Do you disagree? I am concerned about giving too many tips and causing confusion. I wanted instead to impact as many as possible in relation to what I've found to work for most people. Should this be their first time experiencing non-physical sensations, yet a lack of "oomph", I feel that it would be sufficient to cause a further searching and dedication.
That's a good idea, Jhanon.


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Re: "Authentic Meditative Absorption" (a booklet in process)
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2014, 11:29:52 PM »
I changed some wording, and emphasized your point. I used words like appreciate and savor, rather than content. Because I have not found contentedness to manifest greater absorption, or at least not kundalini. I have found gratitude and appreciation to manifest this. The greater gratitude and appreciation, even when listening to music, the more powerful the experience. Does your experience disagree?

They are only words, but what do you think? Content, to me, suggests "You're cool with it." Appreciate, savor or be grateful for suggests "Thank you so much!" Which, in everyday life alone is enough to manifest kundalini of the mild variety.

In fact, I am so glad to have written this, because I just learned. it's cemented. It happens every time I begin to feel deep gratitude.
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Re: "Authentic Meditative Absorption" (a booklet in process)
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2014, 11:33:15 PM »
Lastly, Jhananda, it is my hope that you will honor "me" by allowing this to be on the GWV website once it is as close to perfection as possible. A big part of the reason I created this is because I am running out of time. I can't keep explaining it over and over to new "students."

So it was created with them in mind, and I intend to share it with future (as well as present) students or aspirants. It shocks me that I have not found this anywhere else. Almost every time I explain what is in that small booklet to an ASPIRANT, they experience a kundalini awakening, or is at least put on the path. It seems to be wise for this to exist where everything else can be accessed.

Perhaps it's already on the GWV website, but I have searched and searched without success.
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Re: "Authentic Meditative Absorption" (a booklet in process)
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2014, 11:37:52 PM »
I changed some wording, and emphasized your point. I used words like appreciate and savor, rather than content. Because I have not found contentedness to manifest greater absorption, or at least not kundalini. I have found gratitude and appreciation to manifest this. The greater gratitude and appreciation, even when listening to music, the more powerful the experience. Does your experience disagree?

They are only words, but what do you think? Content, to me, suggests "You're cool with it." Appreciate, savor or be grateful for suggests "Thank you so much!" Which, in everyday life alone is enough to manifest kundalini of the mild variety.
"Gratitude and appreciation" for being witness to the sacred holy spirit. I like what your getting at. It's much better to have this attitude than being just being content.

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Re: "Authentic Meditative Absorption" (a booklet in process)
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2014, 11:40:45 PM »
I know this is terribly off topic with all the excitement surrounding this work of art, yet I missed something when I read this before. I'd like to describe what Jhanon was calling Shaktipat...

A couple of weeks ago I invited Jhanon to my house to treat him to a BBQ, in appreciation for his guidance. As the day went on we ended up on my computer researching Kundalini, chakras and some iconography, and other areas of the Religous experience.  We started to talk about Shaktipat. Such is my nature that I said something along the lines of "I can manifest my aura and try to transfer it to you." So I tried this. At the time I was almost arguing that I could "expand" my aura by pushing it from my heart. So I became aware of my aura, intensified it, focused it till it was "hot" in my palm and touched Jhanon on the top of his wrist. Now what I expected was a recto on from him, instead I had to recoil. Tears came to my eyes as an "energy" shot back up my arm from the palm of my hand to my shoulder. INTENSLY BLISSFULL. So much so that I couldn't handle it. It dazed me. It was almost as intense as my kundalini awakening. The strangest thing, it was the exact same "feeling of energy".

I just wanted to share that when it was fresh in my mind. Again sorry for intruding on this post. Keep me posted Jhanon, I for one can say that you truly have a gift after witnessing first and second hand experience in real time.

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Re: "Authentic Meditative Absorption" (a booklet in process)
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2014, 10:38:58 PM »
I know this is terribly off topic with all the excitement surrounding this work of art, yet I missed something when I read this before. I'd like to describe what Jhanon was calling Shaktipat...

A couple of weeks ago I invited Jhanon to my house to treat him to a BBQ, in appreciation for his guidance. As the day went on we ended up on my computer researching Kundalini, chakras and some iconography, and other areas of the Religous experience.  We started to talk about Shaktipat. Such is my nature that I said something along the lines of "I can manifest my aura and try to transfer it to you." So I tried this. At the time I was almost arguing that I could "expand" my aura by pushing it from my heart. So I became aware of my aura, intensified it, focused it till it was "hot" in my palm and touched Jhanon on the top of his wrist. Now what I expected was a recto on from him, instead I had to recoil. Tears came to my eyes as an "energy" shot back up my arm from the palm of my hand to my shoulder. INTENSLY BLISSFULL. So much so that I couldn't handle it. It dazed me. It was almost as intense as my kundalini awakening. The strangest thing, it was the exact same "feeling of energy".

I just wanted to share that when it was fresh in my mind. Again sorry for intruding on this post. Keep me posted Jhanon, I for one can say that you truly have a gift after witnessing first and second hand experience in real time.

That's fascinating, Cal. I didn't know. I experienced nothing other than jhana i was in. But it seems probable that the inner body, as it develops, changes it's frequency, wavelength, or spectrum to that of higher planes, and thus acts as a barrier to lower vibrations, wavelength, or spectrum----which is not meant as an insult. But think about it in general, and it makes sense. I'm not going to go into specifics, but Eckhart Tolle mentioned something similar in The Power of Now. And what is kundalini? Does it not feel like waves upon waves upon waves?

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Re: Ecstatic Meditation (A Booklet in Progress)
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2014, 10:55:56 PM »
It makes perfect sense to me. Jhanananda said once that his energy could be felt by his surrounding neighbors, and I believe him. Besides that you have a very powerful presence yourself. Another example would be when I was attempting to read your thoughts. You repressed my own energy and when I typed to you it was small you intensified the shit out of it. Yes the description for kundalini you used is accurate. It comes in wave after wave. I hope to one day have the focus you do.

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Re: "Authentic Meditative Absorption" (a booklet in process)
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2014, 12:24:26 AM »
Lastly, Jhananda, it is my hope that you will honor "me" by allowing this to be on the GWV website once it is as close to perfection as possible.
I would like very much to post the writing, and other creations, of the advanced members of the GWV on its website.  So, let us see where your writing and videos go.

Cal, on shaktipat.  Yes, definitely the religious experience can be transmitted to someone else.  I used to use it for healing.  I think jhana as a healing modality is a far more powerful healing modality than any other method.  What is required is the healer have facility with the various stages of the religious experience (jhana), and be able to go into them during a healing treatment.
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Re: Ecstatic Meditation (A Booklet in Progress)
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2014, 01:03:54 AM »
That is encouraging. Thank you for taking time to offer a response :)

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Re: Ecstatic Meditation (A Booklet in Progress)
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2014, 03:45:18 AM »
(Forgive me. This simply came out. I am not claiming it's completely accurate, worthy of going into the goal book/booklet, or better than any past teaching, or that I am fully enlightened.)

What is it you want? What is it you need?

What did you want when you were 5? Do you still think you know what you want? What you need? Who you are? What you are?

That's the problem. Without thinking, there is no "who." How could there be? Are you the same as you were at 5? No.

When you drive a car, you become the car. If it gets damaged, we assume we will get damaged. Some people are so identified with the cars they drive, they modify and "make it their own." If you lean against it, they might become angry with you. This is like the body and mind. But it is all ownerless and driverless.

What propels a car? Within a car is a construct, a fabrication, known as the engine. This engine is like the mind. It was constructed by the many experiences it has accrued. Instead of constructing the engine by fastening a part, like a piston inside the engine, the mind is conditioned by fastening experiences together. So, an engine could have a piston fastened to it. The mind will fasten something like an experience in your youth of someone telling you that "you'll never amount to anything." Once this experience is fastened, it has altered and become the condition of the mind. The mind in an ordinary human is always changing.

But what causes the engine to propel the car? It's the combination of compressing fuel and introducing a spark. First, however, the fuel is compressed. The fuel is consciousness. Consciousness is also not you. The compression of consciousness becomes your view of a current situation, which is narrowed by the piston's compression.

In the engine, a piston compresses the fuel until the fuel reaches a critical point. In the mind, conditioning from past experiences compresses the consciousness into a view. This view could be the appearance that someone is implying "you'll never amount to anything." In an ordinary person, a spark is automatically introduced to the view which consciousness is showing, which causes thought or action in relation to the view. You are the spark, which is awareness. "Un-conscience" awareness, but awareness nonetheless. But don't stop there, because it's not the whole story.

You don't actually do anything. The spark arises and falls away with extreme rapidity in an ordinary person, and is the slave to the car and engine. The spark isn't directly controlling the engine or the car. However, your body's engine--the fabricated mind--work to produce the illusion that you, the spark, are in control. After all, without the spark, without awareness, how could anything happen?

This process of the engine condensing the fuel, of the mind condensing the consciousness into a view, is perpetual, just like in an engine. It keeps happening, and normally we spark when the combustion chamber is at peak compression, thus keeping the engine going. This is why we begin to believe we are the mind, and therefor the body. The spark, you, is not a separate entity either. A spark is a form of "energy." This term "energy" is not literal. It's simply a signpost, pointing at the ineffable.

Coming back to the analogy of the engine in a car, in an enlightened being, they are no longer completely identified with the mind and body. They are increasingly RESIDING with this "energy." The engine might compress fuel, but an enlightened being doesn't spark, or at least not always. If they don't spark, the engine quickly comes to a stand-still. Without the spark, there is no combustion, no thought, no action. It is at this point that "energy" becomes most perceptible. If this goes on long enough, the engine shuts down completely, and the spark is fully identified with "energy." This is full enlightenment. The awareness has returned to it's natural state of harmony, of oneness.

But if that's the case, then how does the body or mind of a fully enlightened body "move?" What makes the wind blow? You can give a cause, but what is the cause of that cause? Keep following it, and you end up back where you started. So, what makes that entire cycle possible? This ineffable "energy" is how the body and mind of an enlightened being move. You may call the "energy" God, or whatever term you prefer.

Water doesn't need an engine to flow. It just flows.
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Re: Ecstatic Meditation (Accessing the Spiritual Ecstasies)
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2014, 09:49:22 PM »
(This appears to belong here as much as it does the philosophy thread.)

The Droplet, the Stream, and the Ocean

All water ultimately comes from the ocean, and will at some point become a droplet. Sometimes the droplet sinks down deep into the soil, where it becomes one with the earth for some time, creating more life. Or, the droplet quickly evaporates. Either way, the droplet will eventually make it into the air, into a cloud. Soon it will reform as a droplet and fall to the earth to repeat the process. This happens a multitude of times.

Water droplets eventually enter a stream, or river. And where do rivers lead? Sometimes the ocean, or a sea, or lake. The more vast the destination reservoir, the more at peace the droplet is upon arrival. But the ultimate destination is to return to the ocean.

Droplet = Soul / Awareness
A droplet is not the Ocean, but it's essence is nonetheless the Ocean.

Stream = Religious Experience / Jhana
The stream is not the Ocean, but it's essence is also the Ocean. If a trip back home can be so emotional and joyful, then it's clear why the stream to the Ocean is so joyful and blissful.

Ocean = God / Nibbana
It's then obvious why the Ocean, the true source and home, is pure ecstasy.
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Re: Ecstatic Meditation (Accessing the Spiritual Ecstasies)
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2015, 05:04:23 AM »
I've become a writing machine! Finally, I sat down to write the book I've been needing to for so long. Insights and knowledge piling up for so many years--maybe squeezing itself dry of compelling material in the process of making it to a FB or forum post. I realized when I wrote TO someone, or FOR others, that my writing was crap--like most of the stuff I've posted on here. And to my genuine surprise, I cranked out over a book's worth of content in 3 days. And it's really good!

I realized I had been censoring my writing because I didn't want to write too much, cause controversy, or because it would take a book's worth of content to explain. Or, that like this post, I was writing as if I was talking. But now when I write, I do so with access to the rest of my writings. So, I know I can explain something, and it will either lead from or to what I've already written. And I take the time to very carefully organize and explain it.

Until I took a college writing course last term, I hadn't developed a system of writing. Until it was over, I had no time to write. Until a few days ago, I hadn't developed the means to consistently stay in a stream of intuitive insight while writing. And until 3 days ago, I forgot that I ALREADY HAD an application perfect for writing and compiling a book.

I'm writing things I didn't even realize I knew. I used to think I was an external processor, but now I'm beginning to wonder if I just have a shitload to communicate. Maybe when I'm done, I will rarely speak, and just walk around with a smile on my face. That would be great.

For what it's worth to others who write, there it is in all it's completely haphazard glory.
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Re: Ecstatic Meditation (Accessing the Spiritual Ecstasies)
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2015, 11:30:18 AM »
Feel free to use this forum as your writing workshop.  You can start new threads to represent chapters in your book.  If people do not want to read all that you are writing, they do not have to.
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Re: Ecstatic Meditation (Accessing the Spiritual Ecstasies)
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2015, 07:44:53 PM »
Feel free to use this forum as your writing workshop.  You can start new threads to represent chapters in your book.  If people do not want to read all that you are writing, they do not have to.

This has actually been the strategy of authors of some books i've read. Using forum conversation to generate and fine-tune content. However--and perhaps this is me being arrogant--but I am afraid of some of this content being stolen.

As a result, I write my posts as they come to mind. And I make very little efforts to hone them. Or, I read the posts of others, and instead of responding (like I seem to do for EVERYTHING), I just consider the content of what they've said. Then I meditate or go for a walk and all the dots connect to show a much more vivid and compelling picture. Then it goes into the book.

At some point I intend to have a few members here privately review the content. As much as I am generous and sharing, we live in a very capitalistic and cutthroat world. And I don't think I'm being un-virtuous(?) by retaining the draft content privately until it is published.

I can still provide posts which are helpful to others and reflect my thoughts, feelings, and insights. But the refined content is something I think should be kept private for a while. This is probably the first time I have ever said or done that.

You know what Einstein said: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results :)
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