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Jhanon

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Economic Collapse (I Consider this High Priority)
« on: September 09, 2014, 02:52:18 PM »
Good Morning Friends,

I normally don't spend time with things like this, but many coincidences occurred which ended up with me coming across this. I've been aware of Unemployment, FEMA, and all the other deception, but I had stopped worrying about it because it's not conducive to the contemplative life. I don't wish to cause concern, but I have not discussed these, and it appears to be factual. The only reason I am concerned about this is because I have a family, and am not fully enlightened yet.

Here is the brief details as I've ascertained them. They may be inaccurate, but I've heard this from numerous people and sources. It's become too much to ignore.

1) Unemployment is nearly 25 percent. That's more than the Great Depression. This is personally reflected in my life, as so many friends are unemployed despite trying to get jobs. The government changed the way unemployment is calculated so it could report lower numbers and stop paying extensions.  This basically means an economic collapse is highly likely.
2) Actual inflation is tremendous. You don't need numbers. Just look at your receipts.
3) FEMA camps are going up everywhere. FEMA also has the right to seize our food and valuables under a crisis, like Hurricane Katrina. These FEMA camps sound...not good.
4) As you may be aware, there is a law that essentially states any persons preparing for an economic collapse can be considered, and therefor treated, as a terrorist.
5) The Patriot Act enables the government to lawfully detain any American without due process or trial.

These next few are heresay, but sound highly likely.

6) Roosevelt sold all current and future citizens to banks as debt payments for wars and future wars. This was done by turning every citizen into a corporation. Corporations are required to be represented in ALL CAPS in any legal documents. Check out your driver's license. (Source: http://www.viewzone.com/collateralx.html)
7) Citizens are trying to reverse the Citizen's United act, thinking they are doing something good to get money out of politics. But to me, this would effectively give right to the Government or Banks to do whatever they want with us "corporations." This last part is something that came to me Directly.

IN SUMMARY:
It seems highly likely an economic collapse and subsequent...well, you get the picture...will happen.

What are your thoughts or insights? Or, more appropriately, what are your plans? Most importantly, please offer any counsel which can provide confidence.
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Re: Economic Collapse (I Consider this High Priority)
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2014, 03:54:21 PM »
Meh, I'll deal with it when it comes. :).

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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2014, 07:59:49 PM »
You have it backwards. Human beings are not corporations, corporations are legally human beings. This means they have the same rights human beings do.

Citizens United may be getting reversed right now... I haven't been following it. But, it is a big debate in Congress. Citizens United is bad because it monetizes politics. At the same time, I'm not sure if that could not be inevitable in our time.

There are many problems in the world right now. You will have to figure it out. I would suggest you not fall into the trap of reading these conspiracy sites. The information there is useless. Even if in principle they are not wrong, there are so many sound people in the world you could actually be learning from:

Journalist Chris Hedges
Professor/author Thomas Piketty
Former labor secretary Robert Reich
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Re: Economic Collapse (I Consider this High Priority)
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2014, 10:07:32 PM »
It doesn't look good on the economic front. I think the best thing one should do is to keep informed with the best journalists.

I go these sites for good journalism and news on America:

http://www.alternet.org/

http://www.truthdig.com/

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php#




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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2014, 12:24:44 AM »
All empires come to an end.  I predict the US empire will be one of the shortest lived empires in history, if it even makes it into future history books.  I believe the best solution for any time period is to be a mystic mendicant, who is a hunter-gatherer.  These people are the ones who will survive any crisis.
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2014, 02:00:00 AM »
Jhananda, I'm concerned if I even have enough time to learn to gather so as to do it without aid of technology. There are plenty of hunters in my life. And some gatherers. But none that seem to be easily available to teach. Do you have a further recommendation?

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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2014, 03:55:24 AM »
I could teach you both, Jhanon. I rather like the outdoor life, anyway.

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2014, 04:13:59 AM »
You have knowledge of local wild edibles?

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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2014, 04:50:26 AM »
Yea, yet I would honestly gain most sustenance from the river banks and near by surroundings. there are mulberrys that grow wild, and other less tasty, yet wholesome items.

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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2014, 06:39:41 AM »
You put my heart at ease :) Let us make time for this soon.

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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2014, 08:37:28 AM »
Wild Edible Plants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0XXu-SGRpw

Thank you very much! I now remember there was a link for this already. I needed guidance, though. So thank you.

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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2014, 10:22:57 AM »
As we grow in depth in meditation, as expressed in the attainment of the various superior fruit (maha-phala), we develop insight, which is intuitive and revelatory.  As we do so we begin to realize that most people live in deep delusion.  The deeper we meditate the more those delusions fall away.

As our delusions fall away the more we realize just how precarious civilization is.  It actually teeters on the edge of collapse at all times.  Here are a number of collapse scenarios, which are very real, likely, have happened in the past, and will indeed happen at some point in the not to distant future:

1] Global nuclear war
Global nuclear war has been a social fear ever since WWII when the USA developed the atomic bomb and dropped 2 of them on Japan.

2] Global war
Global war is a very real possibility and there were 2 in the 20th century.

3] Global economic collapse
Global economic collapse almost took place around 2008 when the gas prices in the USA soared from less than $1/gallon in 1999 to over $5/gallon in 2008.

4] Plague
Plagues come to every culture, and when they do they have killed up to 30% of the population.  WWI came to an end, not because either side won, but because so many soldiers died or were too sick from the Spanish influenza to fight.  The Spanish influenza killed about 50 million people world wide in 1918.  We can only expect other plagues to come our way in the future, possibly Ebola.

5] Carrington level event
The Carrington level event was a solar storm of 1859.  It was a massive solar mass ejection, which brought down the small amount of technology that had just begun to be developed and deployed.  If it were to happen today all technology on the planet would be fried.  Those level of solar storm events happen ever few centuries.  One could occur any minute.  Could we reboot the technology to get the global economy running in time to prevent mass starvation.  It is doubtful. 

It just so happens that there also appears to be an emotional component to massive solar storms, because the American Civil War broke out about 2 years after the Carrington level event, but the social conditions leading up to the American Civil War began to develop immediately after the Carrington level event.

6] Significant volcanic eruption
There was a significant volcanic eruption in Iceland that caused wide spread famine in Europe in the late 16th century, which precipitated the French Revolution.  Another significant volcanic eruption could occur and it could occur anywhere.

7] Asteroid Impact
Asteroid Impacts are very real, and far more frequent than the scientific community has been willing to acknowledge.  There is growing evidence that civilization arose at the end of the last ice age.  There is also growing evidence that there was a mass die-off in Europe and North America at the end of the last ice age, and that the last ice age came to an abrupt end.  An asteroid impact is the likely cause.

8] Super volcano eruption
Super volcano eruptions have been documented.  They seem to occur every 25,000 years.  They tend to bring on or end ice ages.  Think asteroid impact, when you hear about super volcanic eruptions.

So, as our delusions of safety fall away, as we develop deep meditation, what do we do?  The core psychological state that is the foundation of deep meditation is letting got.  It just so happens that the core psychological state that we need to be able to respond to global economic collapse, is letting go.  However, preparedness also helps.  When we are prepared for global economic collapse, then we can relax, and let go.

How can we prepare for global economic collapse?  We can learn to camp, forage, hunt, fish, and do without.  Primary doing without should be surviving without the aid of technology, because technology is the most fragile aspect of culture. This is a good description of the mendicant lifestyle.  The GWV retreats could also be seen as a way to prepare for global economic collapse.
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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2014, 05:45:48 PM »
This was another example of the kind of answer I was hoping for. I appreciate it, and am heeding your guidance in the matter. When I think about such a collapse or "catastrophe", I feel that leaving town and heading for the wilderness with a small group of individuals (there is family, afterall) dedicated and knowledge'd in the needs to provide. It's either that, or immediate death, or slow and chaotic death (in the case of staying in town.)