Author Topic: Proper way to deal with strange sounds or creatures on the otherside  (Read 13255 times)

jay.validus

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When talking about hearing divine noises, I have read on this site about one of the fruit is hearing the all-mighty hum within yourself.  Although interesting to listen to does not really present much danger.

Practically, when you are either in a deep state of awareness/ altered state of consciousness, what is the best way to handle the presence of another malevolent formless being/ strange sounds?

For example, just while I was taking a nap this evening, I was at the point of infinite darkness, loss of the sense of my body, but I was focusing on my hearing.  As I was drifting deeper I ended up hearing a loud growl of a creature about two feet away from me, and I felt a sense of fear within myself, of something which was monitoring me and would attack me as necessary.

Now, after this fear a realization occurred.  Two times I have had someone tell me this in almost the exact same words, the type of thing you know is being said to you at the right time.   First, these two different people, not knowing me at all, were talking about people who are gifted and the danger of unwanted beings coming with deep levels of penetration. Second, and a very real practical concern of mine, not desiring to leave me body as to keep it unattended to be taking advantage of; this was mentioned as well.

These two different people mentioned the need for a proper mentor for this process.  I have none.  I have only my mother's advice to rely on.  I am not sure when she told me this, if at all (past life maybe, or a conversation happening at some other level?). She had warned about the dangers of the psychic phenomenon, about how you can bring malevolent entities to you.  Also, the danger of changing yourself so profoundly at such deep levels.  Although, never was I told NOT to go forward.  Only that we are are truly alone in this... it is because of her I have a faith and trust in God, whatever that is.  She has such a fear of the intuitive and otherwordly, yet processes a gift she chooses to ignore....

So, what is your opinion?  How do you deal with such phenomenon as it is happening?  For me, either the fear overwhelms me, or since practicing prayer (which my grandmother, and great-grandmother especially practiced having gifts of their own), I have focused on creating the volition of love, compassion, sympathetic joy, and equanimity.  These volitions really tone down and sometimes eliminate the impure states of minds.

Fucking Goenka did not teach shit about this, I had to figure it out on my own. Thankfully, I had a family to rely on, I feel pity on those who did not have what I had, even if psychic gifts are something my family has never discussed.

It is easy to give a textbook answer without any experience of such event, which really pisses me of if I were to talk to anyone about this.  They end up treating you like an idiot or that you are insane, and may even act they are in some way more spiritually elevated than you.  When out in the woods we come across many dangers, and knowing how to properly deal with it is necessary to survive. These people are out in the woods with no idea how to survive and they are the only people in my life to ask advice on this, which is why I am choosing to turn to you.
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Re: Proper way to deal with strange sounds or creatures on the otherside
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2015, 01:10:44 PM »
Fucking Goenka did not teach shit about this, I had to figure it out on my own. Thankfully, I had a family to rely on, I feel pity on those who did not have what I had, even if psychic gifts are something my family has never discussed.
As I have written many times, the contemplative world is run my amateurs.  Yes, I agree one needs skillful guidance through the spiritual dimensions, but the amateurs who run the contemplative world do everything they can to marginalize those who have genuine attainment, because those with genuine attainment make the amateurs look bad.

So, there are many fears in the world of spirituality, contemplation, and religion.  Those fears are perpetuated by the amateurs and are used to marginalize those with genuine attainment.  So, this is why this forum is here to dismantle the many false beliefs that keep us afraid of the path to liberation and enlightenment.

First off, yes, as one penetrates into the spiritual (immaterial) domains, there will be frightening and demonic beings that one can encounter.  Those frightening and demonic beings are for the most part the dead liars who perpetrated the lies to keep us all afraid of the spiritual (immaterial) domains.

The solution is developing equanimity, so that is why I emphasize the significance of stilling the mind, and developing equanimity, and do not focus on development of the OOBE.  Because without being "armed" with these tools, we are likely to have a great deal of trouble in the spiritual (immaterial) domains.

Now, you mentioned a frightening sound just as you were going into an infinite black domain, which I know from experience is the transition into the spiritual (immaterial) domains via an OOBE.  It just so happens that there is often a loud frightening sound at this point.  The sound I heard often was the slamming of a door.  If one does not have equanimity, then the loud frightening sound will prevent us from going out of body.  So, keep working on your equanimity, and eventually you will not be disturbed as you go out of body.

To address specifically one of your fears, that a demon or shaman can take over our mind, or body. And, I will mention a related fear, which is the fear that we can even be killed by cutting our "silver cord," when we are in an OOBE.  First, there is no "silver cord."  Secondly, no immaterial being can cause us physical harm, or animate our body while we are out of it.

Yes, one, while out of body, can enter an others body and/or mind.  I have done it.  However, the shaman or demon cannot remain in a body or mind that is not his or hers when the host returns.  And, we cannot animate an others body.
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Re: Proper way to deal with strange sounds or creatures on the otherside
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2015, 11:41:24 PM »
Thank you for the reply.

I have read many of your articles on the whole spiritual world being run by amateurs.  I am a nice guy, I can see the value someone can give to another.  The time I spent at a meditation retreat, I could see the value from others life lessons being shared with me.  But, everything else 'mystical', intense or not, was ignored.  I am sure someone with a gift could go to those places, have a tough experience, and sadly may not be able to handle it.... and then the centre would blame it on a pre-existing mental health issue.  I am sorry to vent, but it does hurt my heart to think of someone being in my shoes, but being unable to handle what I have felt & experienced, and be around people who would not understand, while in an environment you would EXPECT them to know.

I appreciate the comment on developing equanimity.  My intuition has been guiding me to do the same thing, but I am happy to know someone from experience shares the importance of it, especially being related to the immaterial levels.  I seem to stay at this infinite darkness.  I suppose the odd time when I go to get up I think I am up but I am dreaming.  But my whole vision is so fractured I cannot see clearly.  This makes me chuckle, a medium told me one time I had my head cut off in a previous life, for using an intuitive gift and putting a village leader in a bad light.  This is why she said I could not easily get in my head.  I laughed on the inside, but she gave a great reading, which has helped in my meditations to this day...

I will take note of a sound meaning a change has occurred from the material to the immaterial.  Also, that many of the immaterial beings are just the low-lives of that realm, respectfully.

Saying that part of the host's body being safe when he/she returns, makes me wonder, why? How? But, these are questions I so not need an answer to or help with, I want to explore for myself.  I wonder...   

I will however tone down the fear.


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Re: Proper way to deal with strange sounds or creatures on the otherside
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2015, 12:23:54 PM »
Thank you for the reply.

I have read many of your articles on the whole spiritual world being run by amateurs.  I am a nice guy, I can see the value someone can give to another.  The time I spent at a meditation retreat, I could see the value from others life lessons being shared with me.  But, everything else 'mystical', intense or not, was ignored.  I am sure someone with a gift could go to those places, have a tough experience, and sadly may not be able to handle it.... and then the centre would blame it on a pre-existing mental health issue.  I am sorry to vent, but it does hurt my heart to think of someone being in my shoes, but being unable to handle what I have felt & experienced, and be around people who would not understand, while in an environment you would EXPECT them to know.
That is the expectation that is fostered by the people who run meditation organizations; however, as you have experienced, anyone who meditates deeply at one of these meditation retreats is likely to find that their need for guidance will not be met at such retreat centers and by their teachers.  It is therefore incumbent upon those who stumble upon deep meditation help develop retreat centers and support meditation teachers who do meditate deeply.

I appreciate the comment on developing equanimity.  My intuition has been guiding me to do the same thing, but I am happy to know someone from experience shares the importance of it, especially being related to the immaterial levels.  I seem to stay at this infinite darkness.  I suppose the odd time when I go to get up I think I am up but I am dreaming.  But my whole vision is so fractured I cannot see clearly.  This makes me chuckle,
Yes, the immaterial domains can be so very lucid that it is hard to tell whether one is in a physical body, or not.

a medium told me one time I had my head cut off in a previous life, for using an intuitive gift and putting a village leader in a bad light.  This is why she said I could not easily get in my head.  I laughed on the inside, but she gave a great reading, which has helped in my meditations to this day...
In my experience most people claiming to be psychics, or mediums, are just frauds bilking the naive out of some money; however, I have also found some of them are authentic, so it sounds like you found one of the few who is authentic.

I will take note of a sound meaning a change has occurred from the material to the immaterial.  Also, that many of the immaterial beings are just the low-lives of that realm, respectfully.
Yes, most of the beings that we run into out-of-body in the lower astral will be demons, so it is best to head to higher dimensions for a more positive experience.

Saying that part of the host's body being safe when he/she returns, makes me wonder, why? How? But, these are questions I so not need an answer to or help with, I want to explore for myself.  I wonder...   

I will however tone down the fear.
Well, what I meant was, is we cannot be harmed physically or spiritually by an immaterial being.  Nor, can a material being harm us spiritually. All they can do is frighten us, and believe me, demons and sorcerers know how to do it.  However, someone in a physical body could kill us kill us while are out-of-body.

I once tapped into a female demon or sorcerer that hung around me all night so that every time I meditated deeply, or laid down to sleep she would pounce on me viciously.  I got no rest that night, and I thought I would never be able to rest deeply again.  Fortunately, by sunrise she was gone, and she never came back.
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Re: Proper way to deal with strange sounds or creatures on the otherside
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2015, 01:41:28 PM »
That Sounds interesting Jhanananda can you please go more into this expereince with the female demon?



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Re: Proper way to deal with strange sounds or creatures on the otherside
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2015, 12:19:14 PM »
That Sounds interesting Jhanananda can you please go more into this expereince with the female demon?
It was a horror story, so I am not sure why you would want more details?  It would only serve to frighten people away from being mystics.  Just know that going OOBE opens one up to the most heavenly, and the most demonic experiences of life. 

Thus, the need for cultivating tranquility and equanimity, because you are going to need them in spades when you get skilled at going OOBE.  Otherwise just one of the many really unpleasant experiences that I had traversing the immaterial domains could break a person for life.
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Re: Proper way to deal with strange sounds or creatures on the otherside
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2015, 04:51:20 PM »
Out of interest :-)

When my spontanious OBE's started at 15 I had what i feel was a Spirit messing around, as a lay on my back i would get a being speaking into my ear, in a language unknown to me, and it was very wrathful and intense, almost like i was being pinned to the bed!  Someone mentioned Incubus at the time, but it when it happened it would lead into a OBE but was not always there with an OBE, I always regreat not letting it contiune just too see what would happen, back then i would shit myself somewhat and try and break out of it or fight it.......................


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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2015, 01:16:37 AM »
It indeed sounds like, baldbudgie, you were on the fringe of an OOBE at an early age.  I too was having OOBEs as a kid.  What we sensitive tend to lack is a rigorous, self-aware, contemplative life, and critical thinking, and ethics.  When we develop this lifestyle, then we are ready to inter the immaterial domains and not be harmed by anything.  So, hone your contemplative life, then nothing will harm you in any of the immaterial domains.
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Re: Proper way to deal with strange sounds or creatures on the otherside
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2015, 02:20:46 AM »
I have experienced many encounters during OBE's and never quite sure if I am awake or asleep,  this does not matter - an experience is an experience - most of the time the experiences are difficult and hard to remember in any detail.  I have so many the bad taste does not linger at all or only for a short time.  It is important to know that you get over them.  Years ago there were not any people to share these experiences with - to discuss them with family or friends was a bad idea.  This is why the GWV is most helpful.  Stu Veranasi, India  - returning to USA soon...  Further I hope we have a GWV retreat this year.

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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2015, 01:12:25 PM »
Thanks, Stu, it is good to hear from you and to continue to receive your support for so many years.  Safe journey back home to the USA.
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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2024, 08:32:37 PM »
   I'm happy to find people sharing their experiences with spirit beings.  I started meeting spirits in late 2017 though ever since I left my job in 2022 to do full time Kali mantras I have met a huge amount of beings in my house, mostly positive but occasionally negative.  My feeling is that many praticioners will begin to attract these darker beings as they advance, especially when getting into the non-material where they can meet these beings and attract their attention there, so it is beneficial to cultivate a relationship with a protective deity and positive beings in coordination with personal meditation training. 

   My experiences with spirits are on this plane as I haven't achieved true OOB as of yet.  When they speak it is subvocal similar to how a person hears the words of a book when reading a book and the spirits mainly present to my 3rd eye although there have been occurrences where family members have seen my main angel spirit Roxie as a slight shimmer.  I do feel the house spirits that live with me protect the house from malevolent beings entering personally.

   -David
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