I have been ruminating upon this thread for a while as it has progressed, and what I would like to remind everyone that we who come from a foundation in the Abrahamic religions is a root belief in a Benevolent Creator God who punishes the wicked, while benefiting the righteous, but if we closely examine the material world that is not what we see. The material world is better described as what Siddhartha Gautama was prone to saying that this world is a holocaust, a disaster, a flood, a tidal wave, an epidemic, a hurricane, an earth quake... I find it better to understand that we are on our own here. We cannot blame this disaster of a material existence on any outside agency. We are stuck here until it is over; however, as contemplatives who have become mystics we have a way off the, otherwise, infinite conveyer belt back to material existence through cultivating our spiritual existence by meditation into saturation in the charisms which transforms our attention from our obsession with material existence into a continuity of the bliss, joy and ecstasy of the spiritual existence, and what I found I needed to do about 50 years ago, is what I call,
Enriching the Religious Experience, or,
Set and Setting. It is a reminder to myself that this world is all about suffering, but the spirit world is all about bliss, joy and ecstasy.