Fruit of the Contemplative Life
Fruit of the contemplative life: => Insight => : Alexander June 01, 2023, 02:12:24 PM
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1 Shiva and Kali are an archetype. They are the divine male and female.
2 Christ is an archetype. He is the Resurrected One.
3 Vishnu is an archetype. He is the maintainer of the universe.
4 Brahma is not worthy of respect. He created the world, but he also created suffering and death.
5 It is correct to say Christ, Vishnu, and Shiva are God.
6 The avatars are all complete expressions of Divinity. They just come in different forms.
7 Christ is an avatar by adoption.
8 The avatars are all One. It’s difficult, but keep pondering it.
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Notes
It seems Brahma was the creator of the physical universe, but he was heedless and foolish. He created this beautiful world but he also created suffering and death
It looks like Vishnu and Shiva tried to warn him but he ignored them
So now today the other 3, as complete expressions of Divinity, intervene periodically in an effort to reduce human suffering
Hm so Brahma is a delusional creator deity
Listen I’m as surprised as you are
I think the key thing is not to get distracted by the names. Ie not get hung up on that it’s Indian gods. It’s just that that’s where the revelations of the archetypes accumulated
We’re only unraveling it now
It makes sense because… people always ask, “How can this world (with so much evil) be created by a good God?” Lol so it wasn’t. It was created by a big blowhard
Now the responsible Deities (who are all actually the same Person) are trying throughout history to un-fuck up his work
Ok I remember how Brahmā was described in the suttas
So Christ, Vishnu, and Shiva all achieved self-realization (I am what I am)
Brahma believes in a sense of self. So he is delusional
There’s no way anyone would have figured this out. It’s unbelievable
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According to Buddhist teachings, the god Brahmā, who is worshipped in various forms in Hinduism, is considered to be delusional. The Buddha's perspective on Brahmā's delusion is based on the concept of anicca (impermanence) and anatta (no-self).
In Buddhist philosophy, all conditioned phenomena, including beings and gods, are subject to the law of impermanence. This means that everything in existence is in a constant state of change and is devoid of any permanent essence. However, Brahmā, like other gods in Hinduism, believes in his eternal existence and identifies himself as an eternal, unchanging entity.
The Buddha emphasized that this belief in eternal existence is a delusion because it contradicts the fundamental nature of reality. The concept of anatta (no-self) is central to Buddhism, which teaches that there is no permanent, unchanging self or soul within individuals or any other sentient beings.
The delusion of Brahmā lies in his attachment to the idea of a permanent self. He wrongly assumes that his divine nature is eternal and unchanging, which leads to a false sense of identity and a distorted understanding of reality. This delusion prevents Brahmā from recognizing the impermanence inherent in his existence and the transient nature of all conditioned phenomena. (ChatGPT)
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Hm so the Buddha figured a lot out. He realized the creator deity was delusional compared to him
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Hm some lines on the holy couple
1 The destruction of Shiva brings enlightenment.
2 The Kali Yuga has nothing to do with Kali. It’s just that the word means “dark.”
3 They say Shiva comes to sort out the world at the end of the Kali Yuga.
4 In the Dark Age, people are ignorant of being.
5 After the Dark Age comes the Age of Virtue.
6 Anyone with any sense is afraid of Shiva. But there’s actually nothing to fear. Shiva is the bringer of enlightenment.
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It appears Vishnu and Shiva were aware creating the physical universe would also create evil. They understood it would be a bipolar world. Ie white and black, hot and cold, life and death
Shiva was working on a solution to the Problem of Evil (what this was I can’t understand) but Brahma’s heedlessness messed everything up
So our current world is more of a patchwork universe, where the path to enlightenment, esoteric knowledge, and the great chain of being were added in order to allow physical beings to ascend and make their way to the nonphysical
Hm. Interesting
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Hm so Brahma’s creation was reorganized (?) according to universal principles, Justice, Wisdom, Beauty, and Perfection
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I still don’t understand. How would you “add” the principles? How would they not be there at the start? I’ll continue to ponder it
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Shiva said, “The universe was created by a fucking asshole. A douche. A big douche!”
Well there you have it
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The sensible deities refused to create the universe as they didn’t want to create evil
Thus it was created by an unsensible one
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You have provided a lot of quote, but no sources, and the language does not seem to reflect common language in Indic literature, so I am not sure what your point is?
My takes on the various forms of creationism is there is no compelling evidence for a cognitive entity having created the physical universe, and there is no evidence that such a belief system is required for following a path to enlightenment. If you are going to paraphrase the Pali Canon, then the only place there that I can recall there is a discussion of various belief systems present during the period of Siddhartha Gautama is his conclusion in DN-1 there is no necessity to believe anything, but the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path, which are self-evident, and can be tested by anyone.
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Hm it does explain a lot. I’ll continue to ponder it
Also I don’t think Shiva likes Brahma very much (comedic understatement)
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You have provided a lot of quote, but no sources, and the language does not seem to reflect common language in Indic literature, so I am not sure what your point is?
My takes on the various forms of creationism is there is no compelling evidence for a cognitive entity having created the physical universe, and there is no evidence that such a belief system is required for following a path to enlightenment. If you are going to paraphrase the Pali Canon, then the only place there that I can recall there is a discussion of various belief systems present during the period of Siddhartha Gautama is his conclusion in DN-1 there is no necessity to believe anything, but the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path, which are self-evident, and can be tested by anyone.
I am the source. It is a new revelation
You may accept it or reject it at your discretion
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You have provided a lot of quote, but no sources, and the language does not seem to reflect common language in Indic literature, so I am not sure what your point is?
My takes on the various forms of creationism is there is no compelling evidence for a cognitive entity having created the physical universe, and there is no evidence that such a belief system is required for following a path to enlightenment. If you are going to paraphrase the Pali Canon, then the only place there that I can recall there is a discussion of various belief systems present during the period of Siddhartha Gautama is his conclusion in DN-1 there is no necessity to believe anything, but the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path, which are self-evident, and can be tested by anyone.
It appears to address most of your philosophical concerns with the universe
I’ll continue to contemplate it
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Hm I wrote this story years ago and today’s insights appear to be a reiteration of the same narrative
https://alexanderlorincz.com/index.php/short-stories/the-parable-of-creation
I’m not sure if we’re meant to interpret it literally or figuratively
But it does provide a schema by which to understand the universe
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Hm I think it is literally true. The universe was created by a giant douche
It’s the only sensible explanation
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My takes on the various forms of creationism is there is no compelling evidence
I don’t see any signs of it either. Thus my concerns with “how were the ‘principles’ added?”
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Hm I think it is literally true. The universe was created by a giant douche
It’s the only sensible explanation
Then you are a Zoroastrian. If I were to embrace a concept of creationism, then I too would be a Zoroastrian, otherwise how could a benevolent creator god create a world that depends upon the predator-prey relationship?
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It does appear to reconcile everything. Christianity, Buddhism, and Hinduism
The cosmos is all one thing
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Then you are a Zoroastrian. If I were to embrace a concept of creationism, then I too would be a Zoroastrian, otherwise how could a benevolent creator god create a world that depends upon the predator-prey relationship?
I think you are misunderstanding
The parable suggests the wise deities (such as Shiva and Vishnu) refused to create the physical universe as they did not want to create evil
Thus a foolish deity (Brahma) created the universe instead
It also states the wise deities intervened, and added universal, transcendent principles to redeem the creation as much as they could
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Then you are a Zoroastrian. If I were to embrace a concept of creationism, then I too would be a Zoroastrian, otherwise how could a benevolent creator god create a world that depends upon the predator-prey relationship?
The whole narrative (if we interpret it literally) is consistent with Buddhism. Don’t you remember the explanation of Brahma in the suttas?
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Hm
In Buddhism, Brahma (also known as Brahamā or Mahābrahmā) is regarded as one of the higher deities in the Buddhist cosmology. Brahma is often depicted as the ruler of the Brahma realm, which is one of the higher planes of existence within the Buddhist understanding.
According to Buddhist texts, Brahma is believed to have been born in the highest level of the sensual realm, known as the Pure Abodes (Suddhavasa). Beings in the Brahma realm are characterized by their longevity, beauty, and blissful states of existence. Brahma is considered to possess immense power and radiate a bright light. They are often depicted with multiple faces and arms, symbolizing their elevated status.
However, it is important to note that the concept of Brahma in Buddhism is different from the role of Brahma in Hinduism. In Buddhism, Brahma is not considered the creator of the universe or an ultimate reality. Brahma is seen as one of the many sentient beings who are subject to the cycle of birth and death, albeit in a higher realm.
Buddhism teaches that even beings in the Brahma realm are still bound by the cycle of samsara (the cycle of rebirth) and are subject to impermanence and suffering. The ultimate aim of Buddhist practice is to transcend all realms, including the realms of gods like Brahma, and attain liberation from the cycle of birth and death.
In summary, in Buddhism, Brahma is a deity associated with the Brahma realm, one of the higher planes of existence within the Buddhist cosmology. While possessing immense power and enjoying blissful states, Brahma is still subject to the cycle of samsara. The focus of Buddhist practice, however, is on attaining liberation and transcending all realms, including the realm of Brahma. (ChatGPT)
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Then you are a Zoroastrian. If I were to embrace a concept of creationism, then I too would be a Zoroastrian, otherwise how could a benevolent creator god create a world that depends upon the predator-prey relationship?
Hm you should try to acquire the Form of wisdom. You still have a lot of time
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Then you are a Zoroastrian. If I were to embrace a concept of creationism, then I too would be a Zoroastrian, otherwise how could a benevolent creator god create a world that depends upon the predator-prey relationship?
Hm then you would have the Form, enlightenment, and perfect elephant. The holy trifecta
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Hm what causes dementia? Is it not challenging your unconsciousness? 🤔
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Then you are a Zoroastrian. If I were to embrace a concept of creationism, then I too would be a Zoroastrian, otherwise how could a benevolent creator god create a world that depends upon the predator-prey relationship?
Challenge yourself to overcome the prison of belief. You are very formidable
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According to Buddhist texts, Brahma is believed to have been born in the highest level of the sensual realm, known as the Pure Abodes (Suddhavasa).
Hm so Brahma has never had a human existence
So he’s kind of like a nonreturner. One that’s only ever existed in the Pure Abodes
Right then he’s concluded he’s the original Creator of everything
He’s never inquired into the true nature of the Self
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This whole narrative seems like an inevitability of the One. Yes it all makes sense
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The whole world is the One (the Self)
Then the “first” individual to separate (view themselves as not part of the Self) would create the physical universe
Lol then foolishly think he created everything
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Hm an avatar appears to be born with the following
*Virginity curse
*An extreme hunger for esoteric knowledge
*A deep skepticism of the self and a desire to understand its true nature
But other than that they appear to be completely human
Descent brings complete amnesia (forgetfulness) so you have to entirely work your way up the Ladder by your own efforts
Fascinating
It appears we have had 4 descents total in history as of now
*Vishnu
*Shiva
*Kali (currently awol)
*St. Denis (St Denis was not fated for lionhood thus does not share the virginity curse of the others)
It appears Christ was a kind of adoptive avatar. I’m not sure if his divinization was a product of fate or some other principle. I’ll keep pondering it
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Hm so the virginity curse facilitates the development of lionhood
It perfects the male
In the case of a female it would produce the Form of beauty instead