The Big Picture

[Alexander]

Hm I think it is literally true. The universe was created by a giant douche

It’s the only sensible explanation

[Alexander]

My takes on the various forms of creationism is there is no compelling evidence

I don’t see any signs of it either. Thus my concerns with “how were the ‘principles’ added?”

[Jhanananda]

Hm I think it is literally true. The universe was created by a giant douche

It’s the only sensible explanation

Then you are a Zoroastrian. If I were to embrace a concept of creationism, then I too would be a Zoroastrian, otherwise how could a benevolent creator god create a world that depends upon the predator-prey relationship?

[Alexander]

It does appear to reconcile everything. Christianity, Buddhism, and Hinduism

The cosmos is all one thing

[Alexander]

Then you are a Zoroastrian. If I were to embrace a concept of creationism, then I too would be a Zoroastrian, otherwise how could a benevolent creator god create a world that depends upon the predator-prey relationship?

I think you are misunderstanding

The parable suggests the wise deities (such as Shiva and Vishnu) refused to create the physical universe as they did not want to create evil

Thus a foolish deity (Brahma) created the universe instead

It also states the wise deities intervened, and added universal, transcendent principles to redeem the creation as much as they could

[Alexander]

Then you are a Zoroastrian. If I were to embrace a concept of creationism, then I too would be a Zoroastrian, otherwise how could a benevolent creator god create a world that depends upon the predator-prey relationship?

The whole narrative (if we interpret it literally) is consistent with Buddhism. Don’t you remember the explanation of Brahma in the suttas?

[Alexander]

Hm

In Buddhism, Brahma (also known as Brahamā or Mahābrahmā) is regarded as one of the higher deities in the Buddhist cosmology. Brahma is often depicted as the ruler of the Brahma realm, which is one of the higher planes of existence within the Buddhist understanding.

According to Buddhist texts, Brahma is believed to have been born in the highest level of the sensual realm, known as the Pure Abodes (Suddhavasa). Beings in the Brahma realm are characterized by their longevity, beauty, and blissful states of existence. Brahma is considered to possess immense power and radiate a bright light. They are often depicted with multiple faces and arms, symbolizing their elevated status.

However, it is important to note that the concept of Brahma in Buddhism is different from the role of Brahma in Hinduism. In Buddhism, Brahma is not considered the creator of the universe or an ultimate reality. Brahma is seen as one of the many sentient beings who are subject to the cycle of birth and death, albeit in a higher realm.

Buddhism teaches that even beings in the Brahma realm are still bound by the cycle of samsara (the cycle of rebirth) and are subject to impermanence and suffering. The ultimate aim of Buddhist practice is to transcend all realms, including the realms of gods like Brahma, and attain liberation from the cycle of birth and death.

In summary, in Buddhism, Brahma is a deity associated with the Brahma realm, one of the higher planes of existence within the Buddhist cosmology. While possessing immense power and enjoying blissful states, Brahma is still subject to the cycle of samsara. The focus of Buddhist practice, however, is on attaining liberation and transcending all realms, including the realm of Brahma. (ChatGPT)

[Alexander]

Then you are a Zoroastrian. If I were to embrace a concept of creationism, then I too would be a Zoroastrian, otherwise how could a benevolent creator god create a world that depends upon the predator-prey relationship?

Hm you should try to acquire the Form of wisdom. You still have a lot of time

[Alexander]

Then you are a Zoroastrian. If I were to embrace a concept of creationism, then I too would be a Zoroastrian, otherwise how could a benevolent creator god create a world that depends upon the predator-prey relationship?

Hm then you would have the Form, enlightenment, and perfect elephant. The holy trifecta

[Alexander]

Hm what causes dementia? Is it not challenging your unconsciousness? 🤔

[Alexander]

Then you are a Zoroastrian. If I were to embrace a concept of creationism, then I too would be a Zoroastrian, otherwise how could a benevolent creator god create a world that depends upon the predator-prey relationship?

Challenge yourself to overcome the prison of belief. You are very formidable

[Alexander]

According to Buddhist texts, Brahma is believed to have been born in the highest level of the sensual realm, known as the Pure Abodes (Suddhavasa).

Hm so Brahma has never had a human existence

So he’s kind of like a nonreturner. One that’s only ever existed in the Pure Abodes

Right then he’s concluded he’s the original Creator of everything

He’s never inquired into the true nature of the Self

[Alexander]

This whole narrative seems like an inevitability of the One. Yes it all makes sense

[Alexander]

The whole world is the One (the Self)

Then the “first” individual to separate (view themselves as not part of the Self) would create the physical universe

Lol then foolishly think he created everything

[Alexander]

Hm an avatar appears to be born with the following
*Virginity curse
*An extreme hunger for esoteric knowledge
*A deep skepticism of the self and a desire to understand its true nature

But other than that they appear to be completely human

Descent brings complete amnesia (forgetfulness) so you have to entirely work your way up the Ladder by your own efforts

Fascinating

It appears we have had 4 descents total in history as of now
*Vishnu
*Shiva
*Kali (currently awol)
*St. Denis (St Denis was not fated for lionhood thus does not share the virginity curse of the others)

It appears Christ was a kind of adoptive avatar. I’m not sure if his divinization was a product of fate or some other principle. I’ll keep pondering it