Author Topic: Awakening: Bi-Polar, PTSD, ADHD, Anxiety, Healing, Kundalini, Jhana  (Read 40400 times)

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Re: Bi-Polar, PTSD, ADHD, Anxiety, Healing, Kundalini, Jhana
« Reply #45 on: August 03, 2014, 07:38:01 PM »
I have a theory on bipolar:

The depressive phase of bipolar is the unresolved psychological issue one has that is causing their suffering, i.e. the First Noble Truth.

The manic phase, which usually follows a depression, is an attempt to resolve the issue, it may be even an attempt to find the Noble Eightfold Path - the ultimate resolution - which Michael Hawkins, if I recall having read correctly, thinks is encoded in all of us, it's in our DNA. The insights come to you when you're in a state of manic psychosis. Now it's not always successful, especially when the psychiatrists intervene with medications. This is an interruption of the process by preventing the insight stage to fully mature, and when this happens you slide right back into the depression.

So I see manic psychosis as a self-healing process. It should not be aborted by the psychiatrists.

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« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2014, 01:00:10 PM »
I agree with much of what you say, Michel, about clinical depression, and bipolarity, psychosis, etc.  However, developing critical thinking seems like a critical issue that you have clearly developed.
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« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2014, 07:09:31 PM »
I never considered that side to it, Michel. About it being a natural process. Still, it is a process. Which, for me, in regards to drugs or medicines, has been a slow progression from powerful drugs, down to less powerful drugs, and eventually their elimination. It's the same way that most humans can't force a complete change of their diet. It has to happen as a process.

With that said, I wish to update my list of common drugs, foods, and activites, and how they interact with the ecstatic mystic life.

In order of the severity of interference with naturally arising charisms, nimitta, or other pleasurable signs of meditative absorption, from least to most.

Generally Grounding
1) Benzodiazepines like Xanax, Valium, Klonipen, and Ativan
2) Alcohol and most likely any alcohol-like substances such as Kava Kava, Phenibut, GBL, DXM, and GBH
3) Anti-Psychotics like Geodon and Zyprexa

What we see here are what can be referred to as "grounding" substances. They drive one into worldliness, which includes identification with the ego (conditioned self) and physicality. I've found these to be useful ONLY WHEN NECESSARY for the mystic if one has relationship duties to fulfill, such as sexuality, or if one is having difficulty with poor appetite or becoming overwhelmed by non-physical phenomena like the mind or signs of absorption.

I think this is what the Buddha was getting at when he meant that one should abstain from intoxication. "Intoxication", which we can take to mean "intoxication with worldly life" in this case, can happen with anything worldly, but the above drugs induce worldly intoxication very easily and effectively. Thus, they have been used for "schizophrenia", "cabin fever", aborting or attenuation of psychedelic trips, and other pronounced mental states.

The following are drugs which I've found to increase the appearance of charisms, jhana-nimitta, or signs of absorption. They are in order of least to most.

Generally Elevating
1) Marijuana or marijuana-like compounds such as synthetic cannibinoids
2) Psychedelics like mushrooms, LSD, peyote, DMT, and seemingly every substance widely recognized as psychedelic (marijuana being recognized as mildly psychedelic). Which is interesting, because there are far more psychedelic substances on the planet than any other psychoactive drug group.

We can identify these substances as "elevating." It should be noted that one can still become intoxicated with these substances, and so it is not wise to think one is doing themself a spiritual favor by using marijuana and taking psychedelics often. Although for westerners, it is often that mystics start their road to meditative absorption through psychedelic compounds.

The last group are more balanced. They're not always elevating, but not always grounding. People who take drugs like this often and prefer them to treat their symptoms are almost guaranteed to be a mystic or contemplative, whether they are "in the closet" or not.

Generally Balanced
1) Opiates and Opioids such as Opium, Morphine, Hydrocodone, Oxycodone, Oxycontin
2) Stimulants and Amphetemines like coffee, coca, cocaine, adderall, and ritalin

These are tricky. They can be very useful in the first dark night, or if needing enough relief to find more consistent access to meditative absorption. If one takes too much, they will find themselves intoxicated. They may experience things similar to meditative absorption phenomena while intoxicated, but that only serves the purpose of giving the user a general idea of what is possible in meditative absorption.

Why am I listing these? Everyone is at their own unique place in developing "spiritually." It is my hope that it will help those just starting on the path to get an idea how they can progress toward a more sober yet fulfilling contemplative life.

Here is a list of less-impacting yet still important "grounding" and "elevating" activities and foods:

Grounding
Animal products like meat, milk, eggs, fish
Most processed food
Physical activity like lifting heavy objects (weight lifting)

Elevating
Fruit like apples, oranges, bananas, and berries
Sugar
Physical activity like running or anything else done rapidly and repeatedly (like how a bird flaps its wings)

Balanced
Vegetables and grains like rice, quinoa, broccoli, and kale
Physical activity that is slow and deliberate, like walking, tai chi, and traditional yoga

You can really see a lot further into this, but I have schoolwork to do. I posted it here in the ADHD thread because this is where Jhananda put an earlier post similar to this.
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« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2014, 08:16:03 PM »
This is pretty good. I understand the depressants/downers/grounders in your list from having had lots of experience with them, that is the major and the minor tranquilizers. I'm an authority on booze. I've got a pickled liver to prove it.

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Re: Awakening: Bi-Polar, PTSD, ADHD, Anxiety, Healing, Kundalini, Jhana
« Reply #49 on: September 29, 2015, 01:18:39 AM »
Interesting video titled: Why YOU Think you are JESUS: The Spiritual 'Delusions' of Bipolar Disorder. It's 10 minutes long. I agree with much of it since on some of my totally psychotic manic experiences I also felt like the savior of humanity.  I also realized that my egoic-self was a delusion, a fictitious creation of the mind. 

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« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2015, 02:28:58 AM »
Thank-you, Michel.  I enjoyed that video quite well.  I guess I am just suffering from a messiah complex.  I guess I will take some meds and perhaps unsubscribe from this forum, because I won't need it any more;-)
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« Reply #51 on: September 29, 2015, 12:43:51 PM »
Thank-you, Michel.  I enjoyed that video quite well.
This guy who made the video seems to think that bipolar psychosis can take you all the way to enlightenment. Well, I don't know about that, and it's an area worth exploring. But a manic psychosis, if it is allowed to develop fully, can certainly lead to some profound insights - such as the Buddhist idea of non-self. Unfortunately, all of my manic episodes were interrupted by intervening psychiatrists. So perhaps I'll never know how far manic psychosis can take you.

I guess I am just suffering from a messiah complex.  I guess I will take some meds and perhaps unsubscribe from this forum, because I won't need it any more;-)
Well, stick around, Jhananda, we need you. LOL.
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« Reply #52 on: September 29, 2015, 02:18:20 PM »
This guy who made the video seems to think that bipolar psychosis can take you all the way to enlightenment. Well, I don't know about that, and it's an area worth exploring. But a manic psychosis, if it is allowed to develop fully, can certainly lead to some profound insights - such as the Buddhist idea of non-self. Unfortunately, all of my manic episodes were interrupted by intervening psychiatrists. So perhaps I'll never know how far manic psychosis can take you.

I would agree in part, as long as we consider the manic psychosis and its following depression are part and parcel of the spiritual crisis.  We would also have to accept the disciplined contemplative life, as well as the 8 stages of deep meditation, which I do not see in this man's work.

Well, stick around, Jhananda, we need you. LOL.

I was just responding to the video showing how all of us here are "paranoid" and "delusional."  And, the simplistic belief that we just need to let our psychosis run-away.
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