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Re: Rougeleader (beginner)
« Reply #60 on: July 06, 2018, 09:18:44 PM »
It has been a while yet again. I have been wanting to post about it for the past month. On June 13th I had my first true immaterial experience. I have had plenty of experiences and lucid dreams up till this point and do every day. But not to the degree I am going to explain.

I realized I was in my dream as normal, but instead of feeling limited to the dreamspace I was in as I flew into the sky, it felt like infinity was sucking me into the sky. I decided to let go internally and the very second I did, I felt that strong force pull me right into space and up to the moon in a matter of seconds. As I started to zoom by the moon, I started to clench my fist and asked God to take it easy on me because I have never been so far out. And entirely alone at that!

Well the force lessened but the speed did not and I flew past many planets faster and faster until everything turned white. I think I lost conciousness for a moment, but I realized some time after that I was floating in front of a dream scene while floating in a dark space. I was able with intention to flew past multiple dream squares and tried to find a scene I knew or someone I knew or anything to keep myself conscious and explore. I went past a few and got close to one with a globin chasing someone. He somehow noticed me and pulled me into the dream space from the blackness. But I grabbed him by the ears and lifted him to my face level while still flying and told him not today. Kissed him on his gross nose and let him fall while I flew back into the black space. I remember vivdly closing my "fist" energy when I wanted to slow down and check into a dream square as I flew past. It was all so crazy but extremely lucid and intentional as I sit here typing this.

So my point was to say after over 5 years and at the age of 25, I have had an experience I feel was so needed for me spiritually.  I know for certain there is plenty more and my journey is no where near complete. But I praise all the guidance I have found here for helping me to find a milestone on my journey. This is still the only place I find the support I need for this.

Strive on friends and best wishes till next time.

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Re: Rougeleader (beginner)
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2018, 11:20:48 PM »
Wow! What an amazing experience! I haven't been lucid during dream time, lately. What do you attribute to your success?

Based on present experiments based on past experience, it seems maintaining full body awareness and including as much of present experience in awareness at the same time has been successful. I also practice Kriya yoga 2-3 hours each day, and do classic dyana (jhana) breath meditation at least once a day for at least 45 minutes. But no wonderful results, yet--probably because I lost momentum for several years due to inactivity.

I wish I could better understand the dream scenes you described.

What practices do you do and for how long (if not done all day long)?

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« Reply #62 on: July 09, 2018, 04:42:42 PM »
Congratulations Rougeleader, very good success.  Keep it up.  Do keep in mind that the evil lurks in the shadows in the immaterial domains; whereas, deep spiritual attainment resides in the light.
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« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2018, 03:44:27 AM »
Hello Jhanon, it has been quite some time! I hope you are well.

The dreamscenes were just like floating screens with no frames. They were all squares and lined up horizontally. I never saw more than one at a time because there was just black space everywhere. One of them in particular that I turned away from because I was certain it was just my mind created world. There is a game called Terraria that I used to play a few years ago. One of the squares had a forest and water, and all of the 8bit textures that I knew for certain were from that game. I flew right past that as I searched for something more spiritually inclined but I failed.

But my main technique is to internally let go into the tactile charisms,ringing in my ear, as deeply as possible while paying attention to my whole body. I let the charisms be God's touch and the sound of his presence. I also pretend I am underwater but can breathe, regardless of what pose I am in. I have just found over time that it helps me tremendously in relaxing fully up into my eyes and nose and such. I do this while letting myself just be awareness and letting my body "drown" in the bliss and sound. I just melt into darkness. I do not have visual charisms yet except random splotchs that I am not sure are charisms. They never increase in intensity as obvious as the tactile and ringing do. Those two are directly tied to my meditative depth. And they are both always on full blast when I awake from lucid dreams or meditation. I learned the underwater thing from lucid dreams I have had since a child of being underwater yet able to breathe normally. It relaxes me every time and brings me back to those times I have become lucid after realizing I could breathe underwater and how freeing it was internally to feel like I was in a domain I could not die in and was meant to simply explore and experience.

All day I just focus on the charisms as often as I can and my full body awareness. I have 1-2 near 2 hour sessions daily and meditate before bed and Everytime I wake up throughout the night. I am a very light sleeper and end up waking often due to very small external disturbances that occur here every night unless I wear earplugs. So I often get an extra hour or two of meditation in between my sleeping periods because it is easiest for me to sleep after a half hour or so of 3rd and 4th jhana.

Sorry for so much info, I was just trying to be specific about what works for me consistently.

Jhananda, as always bless you and thank you for all of your guidance and support. I will always keep moving towards the light with your words in mind.

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Re: Rougeleader (beginner)
« Reply #64 on: July 12, 2018, 05:01:16 PM »
But my main technique is to internally let go into the tactile charisms,ringing in my ear, as deeply as possible while paying attention to my whole body. I let the charisms be God's touch and the sound of his presence. I also pretend I am underwater but can breathe, regardless of what pose I am in. I have just found over time that it helps me tremendously in relaxing fully up into my eyes and nose and such. I do this while letting myself just be awareness and letting my body "drown" in the bliss and sound. I just melt into darkness. I do not have visual charisms yet except random splotchs that I am not sure are charisms. They never increase in intensity as obvious as the tactile and ringing do. Those two are directly tied to my meditative depth. And they are both always on full blast when I awake from lucid dreams or meditation. I learned the underwater thing from lucid dreams I have had since a child of being underwater yet able to breathe normally. It relaxes me every time and brings me back to those times I have become lucid after realizing I could breathe underwater and how freeing it was internally to feel like I was in a domain I could not die in and was meant to simply explore and experience.

All day I just focus on the charisms as often as I can and my full body awareness. I have 1-2 near 2 hour sessions daily and meditate before bed and Everytime I wake up throughout the night. I am a very light sleeper and end up waking often due to very small external disturbances that occur here every night unless I wear earplugs. So I often get an extra hour or two of meditation in between my sleeping periods because it is easiest for me to sleep after a half hour or so of 3rd and 4th jhana.

The above is very good technique, and very similar to my own.

Jhananda, as always bless you and thank you for all of your guidance and support. I will always keep moving towards the light with your words in mind.

Rougeleader

You are welcome, Rougeleader.  I am so happy to see that you are making such good progress.  Since I am old with many health issues now, someone has to take over the GWV.  Perhaps it will be you, and others.  I hope so.
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« Reply #65 on: July 14, 2018, 07:41:35 PM »
I would be more than honored if a more senior member is not available. Just get in touch if that becomes necessary and I can send my personal contact info. I know we cannot live forever but I wish you many more healthy years. I know it is not easy.

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Re: Rougeleader (beginner)
« Reply #66 on: July 14, 2018, 11:05:03 PM »
I would be more than honored if a more senior member is not available. Just get in touch if that becomes necessary and I can send my personal contact info. I know we cannot live forever but I wish you many more healthy years. I know it is not easy.

Best wishes
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I think you should take the torch, Rougeleader, if you have made the most progress among us in the spirit. Though we will all be here to support you (monetarily or otherwise) to carry on Jeff's legacy. Though I hope Jeff will remain with us, also, for many more years. :)
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Re: Rougeleader (beginner)
« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2018, 05:21:10 PM »
I would be more than honored if a more senior member is not available. Just get in touch if that becomes necessary and I can send my personal contact info. I know we cannot live forever but I wish you many more healthy years. I know it is not easy.

Best wishes
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« Reply #68 on: July 19, 2018, 08:47:54 PM »
Thank you both Jhananda and Alexander for your support. I will try and help out however I can. I'm glad to know there will be others here doing the same. :)

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« Reply #69 on: July 29, 2018, 03:09:19 PM »
Friends,

I am here today not in the best of spirits. I am growing entirely withdrawn from emotional interaction with any other human biengs. I am finding no matter who and no matter how long I have known a person, they are able to have such a level of disrespect and judgement upon me as a human that I feel physically ill. So much of my life I have been repressed in saying what I think or feel because of society or authority figures in my life. Now I find even though I have the voice to say how I feel or think, I am still punished for those exact things. It makes me feel like a slave or servant not being able to express myself simply or logically to an end. I am in the wrong for even daring to have feeling.I feel toyed with unnecessarily. i find myself saddened by what this life is turning out to be and how insane and dysfunctional this world feels on so many of its fundamental levels. I can feel society reflected over and over in my personal relationships and many random people I come across. It feels like we have come only so far since the beginning of our existence in relation to each other. We have technology and sciences, but I feel our minds and intentions have not gone far. The only thing that is making sense to stay sane the longer I live is to not get too close to people. Period. I just needed to vent somewhere I feel it would be understood.

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« Reply #70 on: July 30, 2018, 04:43:58 PM »
Sorry to hear, Rougeleader, that you are having conflicts over your relationship with civilization; however, I too feel alienated by this insane world.  The mendicant life has been the refuge of mystics, like you and I, but it is also a very hard road to travel.  Good luck working your way through this current conflict.
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« Reply #71 on: August 03, 2018, 04:50:48 AM »
Thank you Jhanananda. The sting in my heart is honestly eased by your words. I'm sure I will find a way to manage. All the more reason to dive in.

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« Reply #72 on: November 08, 2018, 04:06:29 AM »
Hello everyone,

I am here to ask if anyone feels a sense of purpose outside of this contemplative life?
The further I go, the more alienated I feel.

I found myself in a small exchange with an old friend who knows I have been meditating nearly every day for the past 7 years. I tried stating that the psychedelics might give him experiences that are otherworldly or "godly" but that I do not believe they work on the psyche the same way that long term deep mediation does. Also the companionship of the charisms and nighttime experiences make me feel like God is right on my breast, even if my experiences are not so "intense". I think they are far more lucid and less disorienting. As I have stated elsewhere, the changes in my psyche I feel are more engrained as lifetime/lifestyle changes, not simply flickering insights(although they do occur too). It is also something I can experience daily without taking a thing, so I do not understand the comparison. Much less the dismissal of meditation as some half asleep waste of time in comparison. I always feel like if people ever gave it a little dedication, and put some of their heart into diving deep they could at least experience some of what I am even talking about before they dismiss it. Instead most seem overly concerned with their thoughts and anxieties (hey I was too, thank god for Jhanananda) or they never get to the charisms and so on and think meditation is just sitting. I just keep feeling like the thing I want to live and express love and gratitude for most in my life, seems unimportant to most. I know this is just life for most of us here, but I felt the need to say it here from my experience.

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« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2018, 05:07:18 PM »
It is so good to read a message from you, Rougeleader.  I agree wholeheartedly with your statement.  Sadly, most people are not very bright, and are content with the superficial life; whereas, people with greater intelligence, such as you, as well as most of the members of this forum, find great fruit in scraping beneath the superficial life, and entering into a rigorous, self-aware contemplative life.  Unfortunately the mob is not very bright, and generally marginalizes the intelligent contemplatives, who are few and far between.  This is why this forum exists.
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Re: Rougeleader (beginner)
« Reply #74 on: November 14, 2018, 04:11:34 PM »
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I am here to ask if anyone feels a sense of purpose outside of this contemplative life?
The further I go, the more alienated I feel.

One of the hard decisions I made for myself, which some might disagree with here, was wanting to embrace a contemplative life while fully embracing my sense of self, family, friends, livelihood, hobbies, and desires.  I was at my third meditation retreat, and I was in the beginnings of a severe mental breakdown (which I didn't see at the time), and I had a realization, I am not a diving being, I am a human being. I didn't know what it meant, but I didn't have any sense of meaning in my life.  I let everything go thinking its what I had to do to be 'happy'.

To answer your question, yes I feel a sense of purpose outside my contemplative life. I am not a monk and I don't want to be one. The rules for a monk are different than for someone like who is not a monk. Monk's need to let go of worldly attachment as part of their lifestyle and belief structure. That doesn't make their enlightenment or salvation any better or worse than someone who is not a monk. Monks *can* (not always) reach the goal of salvation faster, but they also have fewer distractions.

Personally, I like the challenge of retaining my sense of self while leading a contemplative life.  It's a dance that's more natural to me, rather than letting go of the 'ego' to fall into misery.  Of course, my growth in the contemplative life will be slower in some ways because I simply won't have the time to live in a monastery or the wilderness. But, that's my choice.  It has brought new layers of meaning to contemplation, meditation, and prayer to me I didn't realize before.  It has deepened my psyche. I have said it before on this forum, my main religion is probably philosophy.