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« Reply #135 on: May 13, 2019, 12:43:04 PM »
I dont usually post here much,  i come to read mostly.  Jeffery is much elder and experienced advanced soul.  So i prefer reading his responses than to give my comparatively in experienced advise or comments  haha

I do dream of a society where group of people live together, genuine spiritual seekers. I know its too much to ask for, but we have to sincerely rethink about our priorities as a community of human beings on earth. in pursuit of tangible we are missing the point of it all , experience was the main goal without any end goal. If it makes their stay more pleasant then its worth more than my pursuit of mindless material growth. After all to get human experience we have to take so so much of trouble and pain. and as far as attaining truth is concerned that anyways will come sooner or later, cause truth is eternal and this experience isnt. We are the creator of it and we forgot what for we created it. We know of an era where almost every being present of earth was evolved to the highest possible , what kindof preferences priorities they had , how they lived. Earning money chasing some mental dream image of how we shud live life which boosts our ego, ultimately no matter how much we achieved outside, never gave the satisfaction we assumed will come with it.

These are some diff thoughts running thru my mind today. It doesn't have much relevance to what we were discussing but i thought ill let it out. Thankyou for bearing with me.
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« Reply #136 on: May 13, 2019, 05:16:44 PM »
Hello Naman,

Thank you again for the very interesting thoughts.

1. Yes, I was reflecting yesterday myself on the value of this community. It started small but has become quite decent in size now. Actually I was realizing that it is probable nothing like this has existed before in human history. This community was made possible due to the Internet, in particular the modern (not dial-up) kind.

We all made our way here by some special "pull" that brought us here and let us appreciate the value of this place. I think it is important we offer whatever modest financial support is needed to keep the site running; as it is also a resource for many "lurkers" or people reading who are looking for answers to specific questions.

2. Historically, it would be very, very difficult to get this number of spiritual people (in the real sense of the word...) together in one place. One would generally be on one's own for most of the spiritual quest - getting guidance where one could here and there, finding a few spiritual friends or special books here and there, and if one is lucky finding a genuine teacher, but otherwise being on one's own.

3. Yes, I agree with your modesty (not wanting to talk authoritatively about these topics). That is a sign of wisdom. I also like to defer to Jeff. For example, I did not reply to Jhanon's post he made, as I don't have the knowledge to give him an answer. At the same time, one does reach a point where one is one's own way, and can speak for oneself.

4. Finally, I like the point you made about the after death experience. Yes, this is the inevitable state of us all.
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« Reply #137 on: May 13, 2019, 09:13:06 PM »
I concur with your thoughts abt this community. We shud keep it alive.

I think u missed my other two replies before the last post..  I made three diff posts shud have combined them.
Its 2:40am here,  i woke up cause i was having some scary semi lucid dream.  I meditated for few minutes,  maybe 5 lying down while i went to sleep. I forgot to mention,  as you try for oobe,,  i believe its must that while u meditate u shud be sitting up and then when u have completed ur meditation then only lie down and goto sleep.
If i wud have done more meditation,  i wud have had more lucid dream perhaps wud have woken up in sleep paralysis. Which im not doing now a days.
I also experienced that usually if u have eaten just before bed and  try for oobe n sleep u usually end up having scary lower level astral experience
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« Reply #138 on: May 14, 2019, 12:31:38 AM »
Hi Naman,

Yes, I read them. I usually use the "Recent Post" button to do my readings on the forum so I don't miss anything.

I wanted to also agree with your interesting point about "self-knowledge" being a key to the spiritual life. That was the path I followed before I began the contemplative life and I agree. The two also merge into one another as the path proceeds.

One thing that left an impression on me as a young student of philosophy was reading about Socrates, and of the adage of the oracle of Delphi Socrates lived by which was to "know thyself."

I feel the average person - especially in today's complex world - has a thousand contradictory "faces" or roles they play in a day, and self-knowledge is all about getting to know each of these and reconciling them - coming to a new, "true" self that lies behind all these falsehoods.

I think that then blends with the original message of Christianity, which Jesus and John the Baptist taught as "metanoia," literally a thinking over of oneself and the past.

This then segues to the next part of the inner journey, which involves dealing with the dysfunctions innate to human psychology. Plato had the "three parts of the psyche" he taught and explained how in a "just soul" reason with the help of anger rules over the passions. He then contrasted the "just soul" with each of the "dysfunctional" souls for example when passion rules the soul, or when anger does.

You can then go from here to the chakras. I usually like the simple model of sex-heart-crown. Once the psychological "faculties" are put in order that then "opens up" the flow of energy (as oriental teaching would say) and that leads to spiritual progress.

So, we find that we have all these different movements throughout history, and they are all basically pointing to the same process - that "since the beginning of the human race, some have followed a noble path to a hidden city. In the city is liberation."
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« Reply #139 on: May 14, 2019, 01:04:43 AM »
Hey.  Great. Thanks for the feedback on that.
Yes all the paths leads to that one place.

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« Reply #140 on: May 14, 2019, 12:13:16 PM »
I was rereading a post Jhanon had made years ago, and it got me thinking about it.

Quote from: Jhanon
We are treading very close to "sexism", but I wish to express that I am not "sexist." I have some questions for you, Alexander, that I wish to know how you see.

1) Why are there so few woman seekers of enlightenment?
2) Is it because their ticket to enlightenment is companionship with a man headed to enlightenment?

As Jhanon wrote and I agree, I do not want to venture into "sexism." At the same time, I think it is helpful to reflect on men and women, and whatever nature's difference is between the sexes.

It seems that in the upper stages of this "work," most of the participants are male. Why this is remains to be seen. This forum is one example, which is oddly male dominated. I have never understood why this is the case. At the same time, we also find that women, when they find achievement in this work, seem to do so in unity with their male partners.

Reflecting on this gets one thinking about the usual "game" between men and women in life. For example, a woman starts off initially attracted to a partner, then begins to challenge him or question him. The woman is often looking for a long list of ideal traits in her partner - strength, intelligence, virtue, virility, etc. The woman might then leave to find a new partner who better fits those ideals and the process repeats.

This "game" is the cause of so much human misery and conflict. At the same time, it seems to have two interesting purposes we might draw from it. First, it forces men to become self-conscious. A woman forces a man to become aware of his shortcomings and faults. If a man is self-aware, he can make spiritual progress. Second, it seems a woman's search for those ideals may in fact be a kind of quest for liberation, if it is true a woman's liberation is achieved through her relationship with a man.
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« Reply #141 on: May 14, 2019, 01:02:55 PM »
To be honest,  i dont think that desire to reach enlightenment needs someone to be dependent on other sex..  Be it man or women.  However there is one interesting fact,  women physically, let me say that distinction of men and women is purely physical beyond this plane we r just souls mainly, we might have come as woman many times, and vice versa.  So women physically are made such that their energy is predominant in second chakra cause they r supposed to bear child,,,  highly advanced woman may even stop having menstruation cycle. So this doesnt make it easy for women to pursue paths which are related to higher chakras like dhyana or jnan yoga,  how ever u will find many women in bhakti yoga..  Or yoga of devotion,  now devotion can be towards god guru or even husband,  to whom ur devouted they r just tool.  That second chakra is also responsible for women being so emotional by default,  mostly.  Thus many of them are attracted towards intellectual men or even spiritual(non devotional)  men cause higher order chakra are invovled i.e. 5th 6th and beyond. And by nature beings are drawn towards what they dont have,,,  thats why women dont like emotional men usually haha rather brainy guy is preferred..  Thats the scenario for lets say 90percent beings..  Many exception can be there.
 We are seeking perfection by including what we dont have,,  but thru material means it happens little by little,,  and can never be totally done,  opposite pole attracts each other..  To be annihalted..  When annihilation happens  tremendous energy is released,  like atom bomb, even physical death releases energy thus people used to sacrifice animals for ruitals cause it takes time to generate energy thru spiritual means.. When someone is enlightened and released whole time space fabric  gets jitters,  so much energy is released whole system elevates up..  We all are seeking annihilation of our dual existence.
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« Reply #142 on: May 14, 2019, 04:03:52 PM »
Hi Naman,

Yes, I agree. It is just one idea that might help make sense of things. Certainly there are exceptions; like Teresa of Avila, Hildegard of Bingen, Evelyn Underhill, the Delphic Oracles, and Rabia. In fact, most of women's writing we have before the contemporary era are the works of female mystics!
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« Reply #143 on: May 15, 2019, 11:49:49 AM »
Thats interesting to know, didn know that female mystics were dominating in some era

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« Reply #144 on: May 15, 2019, 11:52:00 AM »
1. Progress? The previously written about "tingles" or changes felt in the body have changed into something that can no longer be attributed to imagination. The sensation is consistent with the "vibrations" written about by Monroe. As of now they seem very hit-or-miss. They seem confined mostly to the hands and feet, though the sensations have also been felt elsewhere as well. When taking time to sit or be motionless, sometimes they are present, sometimes they are not. Sitting for longer periods does not seem to necessarily amplify the sensation, but the feeling correlates with 1. relaxation and 2. motionlessness.

2. It is the middle of the work week now so I cannot experiment more with long sits. Although, I may investigate focusing on relaxation and being motionless while keeping the eyes open for brief intervals throughout the day. It is not clear whether closing the eyes or not is significant. If I close them at work it will stick my contact lenses to my eyes. But, it seems my goal now should be to try to figure out a way to amplify these vibrations.

3. It is interesting that the sensations focus on the hands and feet. This does correlate with the meridians described in occult literature, or with the locations of the "holy wounds" of Christ.

4. One of the things that left an impression on me when I read Patanjali's Yoga Sutras years ago was at one point he makes a reference to omens. At one point he says something along the lines of "by discerning omens, the yogi gains knowledge..."

Prior to reading this I never would have considered the possibility of such things. In fact, after reading many works over the years, I still think this is the one reference to omens I can think of in all of mystical literature.

Over the years I have gone back and forth between seeing minor little events and attributing to them a greater meaning or significance, and on the other hand dismissing them as meaningless.

There was one "omen" I saw as a teenager when out on a solitary walk, in which two large, mating? dragonflies passed in front of me. This was very pertinent at the time, as I was still conflicted over the usual socially-induced sexual repression taught by society. It made clear that sexual desire was a natural part of the human experience and that what society taught about it was dysfunctional.

Over the past two years, I have developed a pain in my abdomen, on the right side between the end of the ribs and the start of the stomach. It seems to be localized to a certain "spot" or point. I was concerned about this when it did not go away, and went to the doctor's for it. The doctor conducted a number of tests, and an ultrasound, but could not find anything where the pain was. Since it has been two years I have since concluded "well it is just a pain I permanently have now" and that it is benign. Perhaps a muscle or a nerve that has been permanently damaged. It was only yesterday when I realized the location of the pain correlates with the injury of Longinus. "Well, great." Didn't ask for that one. Now, it could be complete accident, or it could be something of significance. But, it is one way to interpret the permanent pain there.
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« Reply #145 on: May 17, 2019, 04:14:17 PM »
Some thoughts on sexual practices and the spiritual life.

1. The "Middle Way" is usually taught to be between the extremes of asceticism and materialism, though the Buddha's prescription is still for contemplatives to be nonsexual. There is a famous passage in which the Buddha rebukes a contemplative for having sexual relations.

Quote from: The Buddha
Worthless man, haven't I taught the Dhamma in many ways for the fading of passion, the sobering of intoxication, the subduing of thirst, the destruction of attachment, the severing of the round, the ending of craving, dispassion, cessation, unbinding? Haven't I in many ways advocated abandoning sensual pleasures, comprehending sensual perceptions, subduing sensual thirst, destroying sensual thoughts, calming sensual fevers? Worthless man, it would be better that your penis be stuck into the mouth of a poisonous snake than into a woman's vagina. It would be better that your penis be stuck into the mouth of a black viper than into a woman's vagina. It would be better that your penis be stuck into a pit of burning embers, blazing and glowing, than into a woman's vagina.

A similarly great spiritual teacher is also quite clear on his thoughts on sexuality.

Quote from: Christ
If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It’s better to enter eternal life (zoe) with only one hand or one foot than to be thrown into eternal fire with both of your hands and feet.
Quote from: Christ
There are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.
Quote from: Christ
But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Patanjali - consistent with the yogic idea that through celibacy, "energy" is gained or the spiritual body is "transformed":

Quote from: Yoga Sutras
Brahmacarya pratisthayam, virya labhah
[When] continence [is] well established, energy [is] gained

2. I had a very attractive young girlfriend when I was a teenager. Around this time, I experienced an "awakening" to begin the spiritual quest.

Two revelations occurred to me at that age: 1. that my inner world was a mess and 2. that there was a great inner "work" that could be accomplished and would lead to freedom.

These realizations made me feel that the relationship was not appropriate, given the inner work that could be completed. "I should set my inner house in order," I thought, "before complicating my situation with a relationship." I ended the relationship and decided to work on these new revelations. It could not have been a great experience for this young girlfriend. ;)

3. A revelation also came to me at this same time about sexuality. I remember the sense that there was something very "quaint" about human sexuality. By this I mean I felt a kind of condescension about it, the sense of "oh that is so charming," as though sexuality was a simple, basic, perhaps even silly version of something higher. I felt that all the stresses and conflicts felt by people over it were very silly from the perspective of an "adult" or an "old soul" (?).

These intuitions resulted in a very different relationship with sexuality. The idea of a compulsive pursuit of it become impossible. At the same time, I do not mean to say that I became "un-sexual."

4. A sense of contentedness and dispassion developed; and, like one trusts in the cosmos to deliver one from everything, I expected once progress on the psyche had been achieved a good relationship would follow. This did not come about.

5. It is here where one does consider - if one's partner really knows one better than anyone - an issue with one engaged on this "quest." As it is not so easy for a partner to fully understand the niceties of this "work." It is an issue with exploring the ideas of "esotericism."

6. When I say that I did not become un-sexual, I mean that it came to me that human sexuality could reach its highest expression in a sexual "idyll." That such a thing was possible. However, it also became clear to me that realizing this ideal was very elusive and (for the most part) not achievable in the average lifetime.

It also occurred to me 1. how unimpressive my own physical form was and 2. the shortcomings of most partners in also meeting such an "ideal." I realize this may come off as a narcissistic line of reasoning.

There is a very unique passage from Buddhism which fits this, however:

Quote from: Nanda Sutra
Then, taking Ven. Nanda by the arm — as a strong man might flex his extended arm or extend his flexed arm — the Blessed One disappeared from Jeta's Grove and reappeared among the devas of the heaven of the Thirty-three [Tāvatiṃsa]. Now on that occasion about 500 dove-footed nymphs had come to wait upon Sakka, the ruler of the devas. The Blessed One said to Ven. Nanda, "Nanda, do you see these 500 dove-footed nymphs?"

"Yes, lord."

"What do you think, Nanda? Which is lovelier, better looking, more charming: the Sakyan girl, the envy of the countryside, or these 500 dove-footed nymphs?"

"Lord, compared to these 500 dove-footed nymphs, the Sakyan girl, the envy of the countryside, is like a cauterized monkey with its ears & nose cut off. She doesn't count. She's not even a small fraction. There's no comparison. The 500 dove-footed nymphs are lovelier, better looking, more charming."

We see that even the pursuit of pleasure and apparent selfishness, if fully followed, is leading one toward a higher end. Thus, it is important not to discount sexuality, infatuations, or relationships as antithetical to the spiritual quest.  As while they may be selfish, un-ideal, or imperfect, they are also expressions of the desire for union.

7. A claim sometimes made by spiritual teachers is it is possible to reach a completely "dispassionate" state. That this is in some way an ideal, a goal. I was thinking about this in relation to a line from Buddhism:

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Secluded from sense pleasures, the aspirant abides in jhana.

The word "secluded" is what I find interesting here. On the one hand, "seclusion" suggests a state of dispassion, a state in which one does not feel the "fire" of desire. At the same time, "seclusion" also implies a "fleeing," a putting oneself in a situation in which one is not exposed to temptation. So, it is an interesting word to use, and suggests there is no ideal dispassionate state.

8. The values of celibacy are questionable. The idea that continence is spiritually transformative, or results in the production of new energies, is questionable. True, the simplification of life is a value; true, the quelling of passion and the increase of dispassion are a value; and true, the reduction of conflict and stress are a value. But, there is little to be said for the practice beyond this.

There are many contradictions here in all this, but somewhere in it is wisdom.
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« Reply #146 on: May 18, 2019, 11:01:00 AM »
I wanted to say something...  Everyone is wanting ultimate pleasure and full power over everything,  thats what freedom means, for your pleasure bliss you are not dependent on anyone,  also u are not below anyone.. Everything is yours.

Every is seeking this expansion in their own way.  Through material means its hopeless and endless running.  Even material is expression of total.  How can people engaged in this creation be non spiritual. First we are spirit then anything else. If people knew higher bliss they wudnt engage in sex cause people r drained energetically,  in terms of bliss,  they seek immediate satisfaction through sex.  In terms of energy, almost all of the people spend time in lower three centers of energy,  second being related to sexual pleasure,  but if we can transmute it to higher centers,  same energy gives sense of blissfullness,  some say it compares to whole body orgasm. So choice is ours how to derive pleasure thru this system.  And one thing is for sure,  we cant be without pleasure.. Spiritual or not. 

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« Reply #147 on: May 19, 2019, 12:14:56 PM »
One writer, Benjamin, says there are three chief ways of entering an OOBE.

Quote from: Benjamin
There are three main ways to enter the ‘State’; before sleep, during REM dream sleep and upon waking from a nights sleep.

*Before sleep state induction. this requires a set up ‘pre-sleep’ that primes you biochemically and physiologically to enter the state.

*REM dream sleep induction requires a grasp of Lucid Dreaming and is a bit hit and miss for the newbie.

*Waking state induction requires the ability to recognize that you have woken up and at that very moment remembering not to move, roll over, scratch an itch or open the eyes... or even to start listening to the noises around you. It takes a bit of practice but it is a very successful way of entering the State.

His thoughts here affirm the importance of the REM state to induce the OOBE. REM is a part of his first method (why there is the non-REM "pre-sleep"), is the state in a dream, and is the state in the early morning waking method.

What he says is consistent with the idea that dreams-lucid dreams-OOBEs exist on a continuum. Using his #2 method, by becoming self-aware in a dream one can transition the experience to an OOBE.

These three ways seem consistent with other writers. Another writer, Michael Raduga, lists the same:

Quote from: Michael Raduga
There are three primary types of techniques that make it possible to enter the phase: direct, indirect and dream consciousness.
Quote from: Michael Raduga
Direct techniques – entry into the phase without any prior sleep, after excessive physical movement upon awakening, or having been awake for at least five minutes.
Indirect techniques – entry into the phase within five minutes of awakening from sleep of any duration - provided there has been minimal physical movement.
Dream consciousness – entry into the phase through becoming consciously aware while a dream episode is happening.

Michael Raduga is a very interesting person. He seems to hold classes to teach the OOBE to students in Russia, and writes from a long list of case studies and experiments. He is a consummate "pragmatist" and does not pay much attention to "theory." He writes some unique thoughts based on his histories:

Quote from: Michael Raduga
For 90% of the population, [direct] techniques are the most difficult

This explains why my Inner Director is not telling me to meditate. Based on this, a meditation induced OOBE is the most difficult for one with no OOB experience.

Quote from: Michael Raduga
It has been clearly proven within the School’s student body that novice practitioners do not benefit from beginning a training regimen with direct techniques. This is because direct techniques require a thorough understanding and masterful application of indirect techniques in order to be effective.

This affirms a thought I made above, that the need for an accidental "first" OOBE was required.

Quote from: Michael Raduga
The incorrect notion that the phase state is extremely difficult to enter is due to the fact that people are more often drawn to the more difficult direct techniques. It is always better to approach direct techniques only after becoming expert in the use of indirect techniques.

Raduga advises using the "early morning waking" method mentioned earlier by Benjamin, and then transitioning to other techniques.

Quote from: Michael Raduga
the direct method will account for about 15% of all experiences, the indirect method 50% (half of those being immediate separations upon awakening, and the other half using the techniques), while the remaining third of experiences will be had thanks to dream consciousness.

Here he lists the percentage for each induction method for the experienced OOB experiencer. So, this should be what is experienced for one familiar with the OOBE.

After many experiments with his OOB school, Raduga has devised a method which he claims is extremely effective at letting anyone have an OOBE.

Quote from: Raduga Method
1. Sleep 6 hours then wake up with an alarm clock
2. Go back to sleep and have the intention to awaken motionless and with the eyes closed, and with the intent to separate on awakening
3. On awakening, attempt to separate by simply sitting up, rolling out, or trying to levitate
4. If separation fails, attempt four cycles of separation techniques like rotating, wiggling, swimming, or rubbing the hands

Raduga claims great success at getting even those with no OOB experience to separate with his method. I will give his approach a try.

Raduga says one should practice deepening techniques if one separates:

Quote from: Michael Raduga
Sensory experiences within a fully realized phase experience are as realistic as those in everyday reality. In almost one-half of all cases, practitioners observe that reality-based surroundings pale in comparison to the vibrant detail and color of the phase space. To this end, after entering the phase, a practitioner must perform deepening techniques to enhance and solidify the degree and quality of phase reality.

These techniques consist of simply using each of the five senses while in "phase," to amplify their clarity.

Having said all this, I have some concerns with Michael Raduga, which I find perplexing.

Quote from: Michael Raduga
During my first years of practicing out-of-body travel, I was sure that my soul was actually leaving my body and that I was therefore immortal.

Raduga goes back and forth with these very agnostic statements. He is certainly nothing like Monroe in this regard. In one part of his book it seems like he is affirming that consciousness can exist independently of the body, and in another part he seems to say it can't.

Raduga's agnosticism is just very strange to me, as this is the central question of human existence. Is it possible to survive the death of the body? There could not be a larger question than this to answer. The levity with which he, who has had OOB experiences his whole life, fails to want an answer to this question, I cannot comprehend.

Quote from: Michael Raduga
But after undertaking endless experiments, it turned out that my “soul” was not travelling through the physical world at all, but throughout something else entirely.

It seems this may be the source of his foundering, which is a consistent experience of OOB practitioners. Generally, when visiting the physical world they find it is different in some way. Or, they struggle to be able to interact with or influence the physical world consistently. But, I find it strange that this would be a source of uncertainty for him.

Quote from: Michael Raduga
he [Robert Monroe] understood the phase more as an actual exit of the mind from the body, which is why the term “out-of-body experience” (OBE) was introduced.
Quote from: Michael Raduga
the large influence of mysticism on Monroe’s work and views cannot be ignored. (...) The majority of phenomena described in the book have not been verified in practice. The only attempt at conducting a full-fledged scientific experiment proving that the mind left the body was unsuccessful

I am not sure if this is correct. From what I have read over the years, there were many failed experiments at the Monroe Institute at OOBE-to-physical world verification, but there were also successful affirmations made in some of the experiments that could not be attributed to accident.

Quote from: Michael Raduga
[the OOBE] is often referred to under different names as the highest possible human achievement in various religious and mystical movements (yoga, Buddhism, etc.).

He has some knowledge of religion and mysticism.

Quote from: Michael Raduga
It is also often considered to be the same state that people experience when dying. In many Eastern practices and religions, like Buddhism for example, where the main goal is to stop the cycle of reincarnation through remaining conscious while dying, it is believed that conscious dying can only be accomplished through ability to enter the phase, which would be a form of training for the moment of death and remaining conscious during it.

He demonstrates knowledge of the OOBE's importance for Buddhism here, though refuses to subscribe to a belief himself.

One consistent thread in the book is Raduga's disparaging attitude toward mysticism.

Quote from: Michael Raduga
Despite a large serving of esotericism, [Sylvan] Muldoon’s books, (especially the first one) contain a lot of helpful, practical information
Quote from: Michael Raduga
the notions of “out-of-body experience” and “astral projection” have already lost their mystical halo,

I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt, and based on what Raduga says I have to assume that most of his experience with "mysticism" is through nonsense writers. Based on the writers sampled in his reading list at the end, this seems to be the case. Throughout his entire book he does not have a single mention of a real mystic, like John of the Cross, or any other great writer on these topics, like Plato. So, it is likely he is uneducated on religious or philosophical thinkers. I just have to rebuke his negative view here, as every great mystic I am familiar with is the summit of reason and practicality.
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« Reply #148 on: May 19, 2019, 02:45:15 PM »
I find it a bit amusing cause to be able to oobe without using no meditation,,,  its difficult and it need not be so.  People by excluding meditation totally are making it hard for their own good.
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« Reply #149 on: May 19, 2019, 04:35:04 PM »
I find it a bit amusing cause to be able to oobe without using no meditation,,,  its difficult and it need not be so.  People by excluding meditation totally are making it hard for their own good.
Technique i told it works for all the people i experimented with without fail.

Hi Naman,
What method do you recommend? If possible, try to be as clear as you can. In your earlier post you seem to advise (if I am understanding correctly) "concentrating energy in the third eye" which makes the OOBE come naturally, and emphasize a mix of self-knowledge, meditation, and sleep. Though this still seems to fit the idea of a necessary first "accidental" OOBE. What do you think?
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