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Jhanon

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Recovery from Opioid Antagonists
« on: March 25, 2015, 02:13:46 PM »
I won't name the Asian herb which saved my ass so many depressed years ago, and have no interest in discussing it.

Day 1
Waking up was more difficult than usual. My entire body aches just as it always has. I've had several super-herbs/fruits extracts, adaptogenics, tylenol, about quarter cup of coffee, and my usual pharmaceuticals (which are next to be eliminated.) Pharmaceuicals are such
a rip-off in every way.

I find myself thinking about playing video games. This is how I coped with the pain and discomfort until I became well-experienced in pain-relieving substances.

I have to go out. Of course it's the one day it's raining...

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Re: Recovery from Opioid Antagonists
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2015, 02:26:09 PM »
Recovery from substance abuse is a long journey.  I cannot see how anyone could make it through it without deep meditation, which you have found.  So, keep moving forward, as you have been.
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Re: Recovery from Opioid Antagonists
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2015, 03:41:03 AM »
Recovery from substance abuse is a long journey.  I cannot see how anyone could make it through it without deep meditation, which you have found.  So, keep moving forward, as you have been.

Thank you, Jhananda, for your undersranding. There is definite progress occurring. Kefir seems the most likely to eliminate any physical news for this super-mild mu opioid antagonist.

I'm learning and progressing. Over 20 years of conditioning from as early as 7 years old is relatively a lot. I will update once I confirm my insights and efforts result in purification.

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Re: Recovery from Opioid Antagonists
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2015, 03:22:05 PM »
Good to know that you are making progress.  Please keep us posted of your results.
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Re: Recovery from Opioid Antagonists
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2015, 05:01:32 AM »
An unusually peculiarity surfaced some time back in my efforts. I found that just the resolve, if strong enough, to cease medicating causes the conditioned self to cause havoc. Even if I've not stopped medicating,
it begins to "disobey" because it knows what's coming. Emotions become overwhelming, and ancient behaviors arise. Behaviors which I find painful to watch. This has been vividly observed only through the recent efforts. 

And it's only the one medicine. The other ones, when cessated, do not cause issue. It's just the one with opioid activity. I saw the conditioned self sees it as a friend. A comforting friend in a world of otherwise cruel, selfish, and ignorant humans.

And if you think of it, as a being, plants are far more benevolent than humans. Are they not? This is no justification. It is an opportunity to understand this complex relationship. Only understanding can bring resolve to do very difficult things. At least in my experience, this is so.

During my last and most successful attempt, the infant living here cried non-stop for a week. It was so painful. I began seeing memories of all the crying and pain of childhood. All the beating, ignorance and savage despair. I saw the will to not exist rise very high, which would ordinarily be interpreted as "my" desire to die. But it wasn't this way. No.

I feared I would be unable to be benevolent ever again if this comforting friend were taken away. I couldn't stand the thought of losing my patience, abandoning all those I slowly uplift and free from their own demons. I feared how much harm I would bring. I feared leaving behind all those people so as to avoid harming them, and myself. This is what ultimately caused the undoing of this last effort.

Even when I'm medicated, I feel pain of the imperfections which flow through me into the lives of others. But when unmedicated, I am utterly unworthy of a kind word or morsel of food. That is how it felt. There was no "light at the end of the tunnel." It felt very certain and real that the rest of this life would be spent sobbing. Not for me, like it used to feel. But for others. Which is somehow even worse.

I hesitate to post this because if it were confirmed that "yes, you will sob and feel intense emotional pain everyday, every hour and every minute for others---as long as you are unmedicated", I fear I would be unable to ever cease medication.

I found some solace in "adaptogens" like ginseng, and Ashwaganda, and mucuna, lately. Which do not seem at all like "drugs." Which was comforting and yet confusing. At what point is it a drug? At what point is it an addiction? If it is used not for pleasure but for avoiding causing pain of others, is it still to be condemned?

Didn't the Buddha say that food and medicine are used only to maintain the body and comfort enough to practice N8P?

It's my intuition that that is decided each moment by moment. Now I feel adaptogens are not to be condemned. And it will likely form a stepping stone down from the present, as ginsengs are certainly not pleasurable. Then again, neither is the herb which is a friend to me. But then, perhaps, a day will come when they, too, must go.

To take on all of it at once is not realistic. Because that is not what nature reflects. Nature reflects a smooth evolution. In any case, I don't cling to any of this. I just move on with the challenge of leaving the obvious drawbacks of adderall and this herbal friend behind, in favor for less drawbacks in adaptogens, healthy bacteria, and repairing the body.
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Re: Recovery from Opioid Antagonists
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2015, 01:39:39 PM »
Thank-you, Jhanon, for posting your journal entries on your path to recovery from addiction.  The reality is, everyone who is not enlightened is addicted to something, so part of the path of enlightenment is recovery (liberation) from addiction.

The other thing to get is, while it is true that humans are cruel, the reality is life in a body on planet earth is cruel.  if you are not a predator, then you are prey; and all predators are prey to a predator up the food chain.  So, enlightenment is acknowledging this reality.
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Re: Recovery from Opioid Antagonists
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2015, 03:08:35 PM »
I have been reading and contemplating your responses Jhananda.

Having made significant headway and restored serotonin activity, I had a string of very inspiring days. Then this morning I had the sad realization that, as far as I can discern through meditation, observation, and occupying of consciousness'; I am surrounded by idiots. It sincerely pains me to voice that, because I also realized it's one of the main reasons I've remained inhibited for so long.

This doesn't mean I don't love them. When I say "idiot," I mean it impersonally. I address the animal identity which houses their higher intelligence. I do love them, and it seems a great part of reason I've been dumbing myself down so as to reduce the impact of this--making it easier for others to relate to me.

I am so grateful for this forum. And I acknowledge that to some of you I seem to be an idiot as well. This is likely accurate, and I humbly thank you for your tolerance.
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Re: Recovery from Opioid Antagonists
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2015, 02:47:38 AM »
Genius verses stupidity is relative to each other.  The herd has an IQ of about 99, they have dominated civilization since its inception.  People with an above average IQ will be geniuses when compared to the herd; however, someone with an IQ of 125, while being a genius compared to the herd, would be an idiot when compared to someone with an IQ of 135 or 145, etc.  So, IQ is relative, and we all need to learn to tolerate each others short comings.  On the other hand, humans do great things when the herd follows the advice and guidance of geniuses.
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Re: Recovery from Opioid Antagonists
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2015, 07:01:16 PM »
I noticed the more I embrace the courage to voice the things I say here elsewhere--in local life--the more life changes and develops. Things aren't stagnant. Yes, I make mistakes. But I have to make them to learn from them. So what's the point in censoring? The things I say publicly and locally are usually dumbed down to about half of what I would actually say. But do I really want things to stay as they are?

I don't think so. I suppose Jesus and all the other Mystics had to eventually make the same decision, despite the risks.