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I’m in a bad state
« on: March 28, 2024, 08:15:01 PM »
Friends,

I have shared many great thoughts with you during our time here. Unfortunately my life may be cut short if my health does not improve. I have developed terrible akathisia as a product of the science experiments of drugs that have been done on my brain while in the psych ward here. The Akathisia is so severe it strips a desire to live away. It is a kind of artificial dysphoria, anxiety, and restlessness. It is like a screaming from the inside. There is nothing that treats it except for benzodiazepines. You cannot rest or relax your way out of it. I feel I will be a casualty of the psycho industrial complex.

If you can, guide my wandering ghost to one of the heaven realms, where Socrates or Dante are.

Much love to all of you ♥️
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Re: I’m in a bad state
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2024, 05:16:11 AM »
"'our' time here"? Sharing your account is usually against the rules everywhere.

"There is nothing that treats it except for benzodiazepines." So explain why - if this is true - they stopped giving you access to the meds.

"my life may be cut short" are you threatening to kill yourself?

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Re: I’m in a bad state
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2024, 11:19:08 AM »
"'our' time here"? Sharing your account is usually against the rules everywhere.

"There is nothing that treats it except for benzodiazepines." So explain why - if this is true - they stopped giving you access to the meds.

"my life may be cut short" are you threatening to kill yourself?

1 - 🤷‍♀️

2 I still have access to them

3 - it’s the only time I have felt suicidal
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Re: I’m in a bad state
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2024, 11:29:17 AM »
Hi Alexander,

I'm sorry to hear that you're experiencing akathisia. Have you consulted with a doctor yet? It's important to note that there are different types of akathisia. If it is "withdrawal akathisia," it typically occurs within 6 weeks of stopping or switching antipsychotic medication. Benzodiazepines are only recommended for short-term use, and high doses of Vitamin B6 may be helpful. However, it's best to follow your doctor's advice and treatment plan to ensure proper care. Also, stopping medications unless your doctor says it’s OK is not recommended. It requires proper planning, and reducing doses gradually for some medications.

Remember, akathisia is treatable, and with proper medical and psychological support, you can find relief from your symptoms. It's important to get the help you need as soon as possible. I would also advise to contact a mental health professional. Psychologists, psychiatrists, and counselors can provide support and develop strategies to cope with the emotional distress caused by akathisia.
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Re: I’m in a bad state
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2024, 04:07:47 PM »
I'm sorry, Alexander, for your difficulties that you are having. Are you still in the psyche ward? If so, have you spoken to a therapist about what you are experiencing? Is there a plan for releasing you? If so, how soon? Perhaps you will feel better once you are off the Benzodiazepines? It sounds like it would be very difficult to meditate under that drug, but perhaps you could try to use what you are feeling as an object of meditation.
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Re: I’m in a bad state
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2024, 06:12:31 PM »
Alexander,
Please don’t give in to the feeling. I feel you are very capable and intelligent. I am so sorry you are going through this. A close friend of mine committed suicide last month. The pain I have seen from everyone is so devastating and saddening. Please try the advice people are giving here.

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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2024, 07:52:01 PM »
I was going to be out Apr 24 and back with my parents, however I went into a super dysphoric state yesterday due to the drugs, and articulated some suicidal ideation. I asked the nurse to write a summary of the exchange gently so hopefully 🙏 that chat won’t count against me. I want to go home.

In addition there is a game here with the state paying the bills vs out-of-pocket. I have saved a lot of money over 10 years which would make my post-hospital time much better, as the assets could compound and reduce the stress of having to go back to work. Of course, the hospital wants my savings which adds even more stress (the American healthcare system for you).

It is going to be a life of at least some form of disability, which is discouraging as I had planned to be a public intellectual or make some great artistic contributions to man, but I realize now I’ll be spending my time dealing with these horrible psych drugs and their side effects.

If this akathisia would abate it would be a blessing. It prevents me from simply lying down in bed and getting rest. It’s a severe impediment to meditation or astral projection exercises.

I need to go home and mourn. Just be sad for a while and have the love of Mom & Dad. I created my website simply a year ago and I’ve barely had time to develop it. I wish I would have another 10 years of health. At the same time I should be grateful for 31 years until this breakdown occurred.

I am curious about my post-death state. I have experienced some of the jhanas, and based on the fetters I would be a nonreturner. Though despite my struggles I haven’t achieved facility with OOBEs. If it is a domain of “like attracts like” I would like to be united with the likes of Dante or Socrates, wherever they are in the post-death realm.
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Re: I’m in a bad state
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2024, 08:16:54 PM »
Socrates said “philosophy is the preparation for death” and Siddhartha said we must respond to the “three divine messengers” of “old age, sickness, and death.” I’ve followed those maxims as excellently as I can, so in that regard I am prepared for this transition into being some form of disabled person.

One ☝️ day at a time…
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Re: I’m in a bad state
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2024, 06:08:34 AM »
I have experienced some of the jhanas, and based on the fetters I would be a nonreturner.

You are saying you have abandoned sensual desire and aversion. A Stream Enterer abandons belief in "I" and doubt. Try Pure Land Buddhism. Namo Amitabha Buddhaya.

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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2024, 02:57:33 PM »
Socrates said “philosophy is the preparation for death” and Siddhartha said we must respond to the “three divine messengers” of “old age, sickness, and death.” I’ve followed those maxims as excellently as I can, so in that regard I am prepared for this transition into being some form of disabled person.

One ☝️ day at a time…

Yes, I agree in part with Socrates, but I have put it for the last 50 years, a daily meditation practice, and developing the OOBE, are preparation for death. Please heal soon and join this sangha of contemplatives as a major contributor.
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Re: I’m in a bad state
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2024, 12:58:54 PM »
Socrates said “philosophy is the preparation for death” and Siddhartha said we must respond to the “three divine messengers” of “old age, sickness, and death.” I’ve followed those maxims as excellently as I can, so in that regard I am prepared for this transition into being some form of disabled person.

One ☝️ day at a time…

Yes, I agree in part with Socrates, but I have put it for the last 50 years, a daily meditation practice, and developing the OOBE, are preparation for death. Please heal soon and join this sangha of contemplatives as a major contributor.

No I take your admonishments very seriously. They always cause me to renew my practice.

Regrettably I’ve been getting akathisia here (a very complex form of anxiety caused by the drugs) which has put me down at just the survival level. I finally got out of it yesterday afternoon - then read this post. I more or less meditated all night in corpse pose, then did another short attempt this morning also. The absence of “depth” despite these efforts shot me into an anxiety attack this morning.

No I discovered you on YouTube at 18 when I was searching the term “jhana” and it felt like a predestined event. I was also more or less the second member to sign up for this forum here. So that’s 14 years of you as my primary teacher.

I’ve meditated regularly dating back to age 15; but I don’t experience bliss, joy, or ecstasy. I just subsist with the still mind.

I have this bipolar diagnosis now - and the damaging but necessary drugs I’ll have to take for it - so there’s only going forward, not backward.

I did have some relative luck with Robert Bruce’s 80 days till OOB book, which gave me two minor experiences. Regrettably I had to stop that practice due to the 2020 accident with the solvents which incapacitated me. His energy work exercises also led me to experience the energy in my hands and feet, which to me are evidence the spiritual body is very real.

Ach, I feel the unpleasant heat in my chest, and the dysphoria from the Akathisia, I just want it to go away so I can rest.

In terms of why I don’t feel self-arising bliss and joy, my only thought is it could be my adult sexual ptsd. I have done more or less everything recommended over the years - watch the breath, listen to the inner sound, relax deeply, abide as “no mind.” It’s ironic as I’ve written stories and articles about concentration-meditation-absorption, but I can’t say my stillness has ever dropped into absorption.

Sending lots of love ♥️ and good will 🙂☝️
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Re: I’m in a bad state
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2024, 03:28:51 PM »
No I take your admonishments very seriously. They always cause me to renew my practice.

Regrettably I’ve been getting akathisia here (a very complex form of anxiety caused by the drugs) which has put me down at just the survival level. I finally got out of it yesterday afternoon - then read this post. I more or less meditated all night in corpse pose, then did another short attempt this morning also. The absence of “depth” despite these efforts shot me into an anxiety attack this morning.

No I discovered you on YouTube at 18 when I was searching the term “jhana” and it felt like a predestined event. I was also more or less the second member to sign up for this forum here. So that’s 14 years of you as my primary teacher.

I’ve meditated regularly dating back to age 15; but I don’t experience bliss, joy, or ecstasy. I just subsist with the still mind.

I have this bipolar diagnosis now - and the damaging but necessary drugs I’ll have to take for it - so there’s only going forward, not backward.

I did have some relative luck with Robert Bruce’s 80 days till OOB book, which gave me two minor experiences. Regrettably I had to stop that practice due to the 2020 accident with the solvents which incapacitated me. His energy work exercises also led me to experience the energy in my hands and feet, which to me are evidence the spiritual body is very real.

Ach, I feel the unpleasant heat in my chest, and the dysphoria from the Akathisia, I just want it to go away so I can rest.

In terms of why I don’t feel self-arising bliss and joy, my only thought is it could be my adult sexual ptsd. I have done more or less everything recommended over the years - watch the breath, listen to the inner sound, relax deeply, abide as “no mind.” It’s ironic as I’ve written stories and articles about concentration-meditation-absorption, but I can’t say my stillness has ever dropped into absorption.

Sending lots of love ♥️ and good will 🙂☝️

For now, as long as you are medicated it looks like you will just have to submit to the psychiatrists and hope you make it through, but as I read through your response here I am reminded of the discussion here on Set and Setting and Siddhartha Gautama's night of enlightenment began with a recollection of a previous positive experience of meditation, which lead him to the first jhana, which is characterized by bliss and joy, which lead to the second jhana, which is characterized by the still mind, which leads the 3rd jhana, which is characterized by the arising of the charisms, such as: internal sounds, vibrations and luminosity. So, perhaps once you withdraw from the psychiatric meds then you can begin again, and this time be mindful of Set and Setting.
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Re: I’m in a bad state
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2024, 03:43:33 PM »
Feeling some hope right now. Suffered terrible agitation and dysphoria this morning. Slowly receded, including the suicidal ideation, and feel normal now other than a strange feeling of heat in my head.

It appears many doctors have no idea what akathisia is or how serious it is. This is likely the second part of the lobotomy tale, the hubris of psychiatry.

Edit: Nope, inner dysphoria and Suicidality back. Feels like a fire 🔥 in my head. Impatience and agitation that are not me. Fuck these people for doing this to me. And for being so oblivious they dismiss it as ordinary anxiety. It must be some form of medication-caused brain injury.
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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2024, 06:46:09 AM »
What I was trying to say before is that it sounds like you have vastly overestimated your level of attainment. I would also guess that you are wrong about having been in Jhana as well. The only thing that is clear is that your case is very challenging. You need a teacher who can talk with you face-to-face. In person. It sounds like you have never been taught about equanimity in the face of the three marks.

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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2024, 02:40:29 PM »
What I was trying to say before is that it sounds like you have vastly overestimated your level of attainment. I would also guess that you are wrong about having been in Jhana as well. The only thing that is clear is that your case is very challenging. You need a teacher who can talk with you face-to-face. In person. It sounds like you have never been taught about equanimity in the face of the three marks.

I’ve been at this work for 15 years, and you are speaking to literally the world’s expert (from a scholarly perspective) on mysticism. Jeff would be the expert from a practical perspective (which is obviously the preferable of the two to be, thus my deference to him always on this forum).

I have a whole website filled with books, articles, and dialogues representing that this has been a life quest. I’ve experienced the vibrations and inner sound while meditating with a silent mind, which I believe is the third Jhana. Where I’ve struggled is getting to the “feels like I could meditate forever” stage of Jhana 4. Absorption. I have never experienced it. And, facility with the out of body experience (only my 2 mediocre ones, a false awakening and a blind OOBE).

In regard to the fetters - contemplate them. You can also use Gurdjieff’s four stages of enlightenment, which are clearly the same as what the Buddha taught, but focusing on different faculties that develop as you spiritually mature. Nonreturning is the absence of ill will and sensuality. I’ve been at this stage for over 10 years.

I would say that just because someone has horrible trauma, and ends with a personal crisis, does not compromise their spiritual attainment. For example you could trip tomorrow, hit your head, and be living the tale of Job from the Old Testament. A brain trauma could affect an arahant, losing the ability to sleep, sit still (if the part of the brain that controls psychomotor activity is damaged), or the ability to be articulate/insightful. I don’t recall the exact story of Francis of Assisi, but one thing I remember from years ago was his turmoils leading him to choose to die of exposure.

Remember that the physical domain is a hell-plane, filled with all sorts of impediments, tragedies. It is a world where infants die in war, where teenagers like Claire Wineland die of cystic fibrosis, where people’s lives and ambitions are cut short by multiple sclerosis or cancer.

Re: the fetters, the Buddha gave an excellent and precise table for assessing one’s spiritual progress, so long as you have an abbot (spiritual senior) to admonish you, or have cultivated self-awareness and self-knowledge.

In regard to the higher fetters, you may need someone at Jeff or Michael’s level of attainment. Craving for form based existence, craving for formless existence, restlessness, ignorance, and conceit. I can tell you I have no conceit - and in terms of ignorance there are few with the breadth of spiritual knowledge as me other than the people on this forum. Keep in mind I didn’t write this post to be defensive or self-aggrandizing, but it seemed an appropriate response to your message.

Perhaps you could give this one a read https://alexanderlorincz.com/index.php/books/the-book-of-shiva It is pushing you out of your comfort zone (Buddhism), but might be of interest to comprehending the ascetical-practical side of the religious life. If like attracts like, you want to “climb the ladder,” Jacob’s ladder, so you can be with the wise and noble in the post death state.

Re: our forum
It is filled with the most rigorous spiritual practitioners. Meaning, these are posters who not only demonstrate expertise at the scriptures and religious teachings, but they are adepts in the meditation and astral travel world also. Usually people are segregated in the one box or the other. Jeff is unique for his reconciliation of both. It is the most mature perspective.

Re: the forum
So, it is an extraordinary legacy Jeff leaves behind, and we should attempt to prolong it after his mahasamadhi if at all possible.
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