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Re: Rougeleader (beginner)
« Reply #90 on: September 14, 2019, 10:41:34 AM »
Hi Rougeleader,

Your comment reminds me of a conversation I had with my priest friend years ago. As mystics, I feel we are often in "disguise" - but it feels nice every once in a while to be able to speak openly. I remember telling him how much I hated it here, how much I wanted to get out of here - basically talking like an alien in human form, haha. That kind of feeling can only come from within; it is the hatred of matter and the want to return to Reality. Well, who knows why we are here. I certainly know that I am ready to go at any time, and in fact am eagerly awaiting death and being able to escape this place. As much as I love these humans, I will certainly not be returning here again. ;)
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« Reply #91 on: October 03, 2019, 05:18:33 AM »
Hello friends,

I am just reporting in quickly before I sleep. I thank you for your responses here. I have been sick with whatever sickness is going around this season. Has knocked me around for almost 2 weeks, but I am finally getting better. Work did not help.

Im finding that my arthritis is starting to affect me so much more. I wasnt expecting to feel so many worsening symptoms at such a young age. Only being in my late twenties, i find it discouraging to find my mobility being limited by severe pain. I have been very active my whole life, so it has been such a fast change in the past five years alone. Just walking around at work for a few hours Tuesday kept me in bed with a back brace all day today with what I believe is a bulging disc. I did not even lift anything. The pain locks up my hip and sends shooting pains down my quadricep nerve. I can barely stand up straight. I can feel an underlying inflammation in my whole body and all of my nerves feel affected in some way. So i am hoping soon to get some medical financial assistance so I can be a bit more functional and have less pain.

The bliss is strong but my body is not. Goodness.

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« Reply #92 on: October 03, 2019, 09:39:38 AM »
Dear Rogueleader,

If you are suffering from arthritis and inflammatory issues, I suggest you look into an anti-inflammatory diet. Either paleo, or the Whole30 diet are good for this.

I've done this, and the results have been amazing.

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« Reply #93 on: October 03, 2019, 12:57:39 PM »
Good  advice, Intuition.  I too am sorry that rougeleader115 is having so many health problems, and I agree, it is looking like an autoimmune issue.  As many of you know I too have had autoimmune health problems most of my life, and I have found an ultra-low carb diet works quite well for me; however, sleeping with the windows and doors closed and a HEPA filter filtering the air I breath has helped me more than anything else that I have tried; and I have been trying everything that seemed reasonable to reduce my autoimmune condition most of my life.
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« Reply #94 on: December 01, 2019, 09:25:46 PM »
 Hello Friends,

I just came to search for topics for surrendering, annihilation, trying to tease out an insight into what I feel is happening. I feel like I am about to dissolve. My "soul" aura, chakras, and what feels like the mental framework and layering that makes me feel solid is just vibrating so much. It feels like everything that is "me" is vibrating into everything vibrating outside of me. Like i am the drop dissappearing into the ocean, and i FEEL it. Im going to go meditate now, but i wanted to say  something about this because I am struggling, just not like before. I am far less afraid and want to submit, but it still feels like tiny me to the magnitude of "god/godhead/infinite".

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« Reply #95 on: December 02, 2019, 12:47:14 AM »
Good work Rougeleader.  The practice of meditation that leads to depth, also leads to shedding the cognitive structures, including identity.  This is a good practice; because when we die we will have to let go of the world anyway.  And, if we are successful in doing so, and we are contemplatives accustomed to deep meditation, then we will go out of body, and travel to the highest spiritual domains, were we will see a vast expanse of points of light.  We will see that each point of light is a being, and each being radiates pure love, and communes with all of the other points of light on a 'carrier-wave' of pure love.  If you can shed your ego, and your other cognitive processes, then you will take your place among these beings of light and love.  This expanse of light beings has been called by many names, but I like "heavenly host" the best.  Good work, keep going deeper.
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« Reply #96 on: December 02, 2019, 08:51:49 PM »
Jhanananda,

Thank you so much for your words of guidance. On so many levels, you are the guiding light of my contemplative life. You give me many resources and mystics to investigate, and you have delved into spiritual topics on so many forums that it feels like easily a lifetime of teachings and then some. Even you as a being, what I have been able to experience and dialogue with, has tremendously helped me grow as a human and spiritual being. My words fail what I mean, but I just want to say thank you to you specifically. And thank you so much for your last message.

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« Reply #97 on: December 03, 2019, 12:49:30 AM »
You are welcome, Rougeleader.  The way that each and every member of this forum can thank me, and the senior members who have now gone out of body, is for each and every one of you to meditate as deeply as possible, and participate on this forum helping future contemplatives to meditate at the depth that you meditate at; because others will have to take over very soon.
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« Reply #98 on: December 04, 2019, 05:03:29 AM »
I will do my best at just that. I feel more than indebted to do so. I hope you dont plan on leaving us anytime soon! It is saddening that many senior members have passed. I wish I knew of a way to also memorialize them on the forum. But either way, I will be leaving the workforce for the next few months to continue finding a direction for my lay life, hopefully in art. So I should be more active here.

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« Reply #99 on: December 04, 2019, 01:16:40 PM »
Rougeleader, you have been a member of this forum since November 07, 2013.  You have posted 116 messages here, which shows you have been a consistent, contributing member here.  Additionally, your blogs, and meditation experience reports clearly demonstrate that you consistently meditate at depth, and your meditation experiences support the overall conclusions of this forum; and the depth of your meditation clearly demonstrate that you meditate to greater depth than the typical person who teachers meditation today.  Additionally, you have supported other's reports here; this is why I have made you a Global Moderator here. Therefore you are a valued member, and leader, of this forum.

The health of this body has lately, and again, declined steeply, thus none of us can be sure how much longer that this body will remain alive, or effective.  It is therefore necessary to mentor other leaders here, if this forum, and the mission of the GWV, will continue.

Good luck in your pursuit of a sustainable lifestyle that supports both your contemplative life, and your art.
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« Reply #100 on: December 08, 2019, 01:44:09 AM »
Jhanananda,

Thank you for your kind words of support. I will do my best to uphold this forum along with the remaining "senior" members here. I am again sorry to hear your health is not well.

All of this week has been a lot of energy and changes in my life. Just giant blissful waves passing through the sky, washing through my house and drowning me over and over. Its like I can just breathe it in for hours at a time, sometimes driving me on the edge of my sanity, but in such a weirdly sweet way. Ecstasy feels like the word. My life feels like it is all recentering on my contemplative life for me. The final full moon of the year approaches this week and I feel it day and night.

I dont know how to express my good feelings towards you and your life, besides doing what I can for your mission. I wish there was a better way for me to say all that I want to right now. It all sounds cheesy or inappropriate, but I wish you well no matter what. Thank you.

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« Reply #101 on: December 08, 2019, 01:18:21 PM »
Jhanananda,

Thank you for your kind words of support. I will do my best to uphold this forum along with the remaining "senior" members here. I am again sorry to hear your health is not well.
It is my job as a mystic to mentor the next generation of mystics; so that is my goal for the GWV, which means its members support that central premise, and as long as they do, then the GWV should continue on into the future; therefore as a member of the GWV supporting future and present mystics should be your primary mission.
All of this week has been a lot of energy and changes in my life. Just giant blissful waves passing through the sky, washing through my house and drowning me over and over. Its like I can just breathe it in for hours at a time, sometimes driving me on the edge of my sanity, but in such a weirdly sweet way. Ecstasy feels like the word. My life feels like it is all recentering on my contemplative life for me. The final full moon of the year approaches this week and I feel it day and night.
A genuine mystic will change his or her life to maintain those "giant bliss waves" every day, and all day long. This requires a dedicated, disciplined, and rigorous, self-aware contemplative life.  The fact that you are experiencing "giant bliss waves" is supporting evidence that you lead such a life, so keep it up.
I dont know how to express my good feelings towards you and your life, besides doing what I can for your mission. I wish there was a better way for me to say all that I want to right now. It all sounds cheesy or inappropriate, but I wish you well no matter what. Thank you.

Rougeleader
As long as you support the mission of the GWV you show your thanks for the mission of the GWV in the most real way.  With leaving behind dedicated, disciplined, and rigorous, self-aware fruitful contemplatives, then my work has been successful.  I would like to see as many as possible, so I will continue to support dedicated, disciplined, and rigorous, self-aware, fruitful contemplatives until this body stops functioning, which looks to be quite soon.
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« Reply #102 on: March 10, 2020, 02:55:33 AM »
Hello everyone,

I noticed the forum has been very quiet. I hope everyone is okay and just lurking around time to time. Times are not looking too good in the world right now. I hope things end up being okay but I cant help but feel like i needed to say the generally feeling of doom in the air feels thicker than normal.

Today though after mediation while on a walk, i just felt like my awareness was touching a large outer aura around me. Feels like an arua almost touching the sky and a large space around the edges of my of my body feel entirely consumed in bliss and love. I feel like it is always simply a case now of relaxing my body and mind, and my awareness just relaxes from being constrained in my body, to washing away in everdeepening layers of bliss. It truly is a saturation or dissolving kind of action. What is "solid" and "real" are only layers and layers of intangible things. Things that readily dissolve back into the ether of life. I just hope that i truly can/have dissolved myself enough before I die of whatever so that I can truly be free.

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« Reply #103 on: March 12, 2020, 08:42:28 PM »
I am glad you are doing well, Rougeleader. I have been navigating this life's obstacles as best I can. It looks like I will be losing a job soon - so I will have to make a decision on what to do next. I've been considering going for a PhD, so perhaps I will collect unemployment for a while then pursue that next year. This is also happening amidst a pandemic - and one that is going to cause a global recession - but that is par for the course for the human realm.

I confess I have not been meditating. I honestly do not enjoy meditating, and I have never experienced any remarkable results from it. I also confess I have not been following through on my self-inquiry (24/7 practice) either, as I did that for years with no results. It seems I am at a spiritual standstill.

I generally defer to the Inner Director on what actions I should take, but it does not compel me to do anything. It did tell me last year that it was time I "go my own way" and that I had become my own authority, which I did take to heart. It also pushed me to read all these works by OOBE writers, including William Buhlman, which I admit has been worth the time. But, while I am certain I will not be returning here again, at the same time if the end of this life was to make great spiritual progress I am not very impressed with myself.

I confess I have been getting more incredulous about the claims of mystics. I have been shifting more toward the OOBE perspective in my views. I have no frame of reference for the altered state of consciousness you describe so I don't really know what to believe. So, I have just continued in the experience of the mundane, approaching this life's ills as best a human can. I will likely resume my practice again - but when I feel less discouraged.

Would you say the experience you had that afternoon was a concrete real experience? Do you experience these states when you meditate? Do you experience them 24/7? Do you enjoy sitting there for 1-2 hours? Perhaps you can give me a recommendation for my practice.
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« Reply #104 on: March 13, 2020, 02:25:26 AM »
Alexander,

I thank you for your response to my post. I am sorry to hear your practice is still not giving you the succor you need for this life. I will state again how much I still believe you should be most capable with how deep your understanding of the contemplative life is. I do not mean to dismiss your troubles i just mean i feel you certainly could attain it with your understanding and feelings on nondualism.

I will say that it is absolutely a concrete experiences that I am trying to express. I am sorry if it comes of unnecessarily poetic or dramatic, but it is because the experience truly is so. Even typing this now, my ears are ringing loudly resonating perfectly with the bliss/energy/tacticle tingles thats i feel throughout my whole body, and especially strong in my third eye, throat, heart, and top of my head. So be it that people call those places chakras. I dont believe anything ive been taught about them or read online, but i cant deny the experience of extreme tingling tactile bliss any more than i can the other sensations that happen in my body. They are there, i wish i had a better way to express to you.

I have taken mushrooms and LSD and I can say without question that the vibrations and energy that I have felt in my body of those drugs were like lesser versions of what I feel now. The same is for marijuana and edible marijuana. I get to similar places, but with much less control and lucidity, and much more side effects. I really mean less than similar, Jeffrey is right to say meditation is like like a rolls royce to the garbage can that drugs usually are. There is a true personal and soul bonding experience when what you go through is more intense and engaging than anything you have ever experienced while not being caused by any thing or drug, but you submitting fully as a whole entity inner and outer. After about a year it had become a 24/7 experience for me. It has always been a case of whether I was consistent, and more importantly internally submitting. I couldnt out discipline my internal ability to submit, it is very scary to submit to what literally feels like infinite levels of bliss and energy available all the time. As long as i submit consistently and fully, the bliss has always been at deeper levels than say the last mediation or the week before. It is actually ever deepening. It has been about 9 years now since I began. I have always had very lucid dreams since i was a child but I felt like an empty shell casing with nothing but depression anxiety and anger for the second decade of my life. And since about 4 years ago i have felt entirely entranced and over taken with the bliss and out of body experiences to the point that i feel like salt dissolving away. It is second nature now to submit and let go, even when it is absolutely overwhelming and kind of scary. Like Jeffrey saying and stone worn to sand, and other mystics ways of expressing that.

If i am focused on life and ita troubles and etc. I cannot let go fully and have to attend to relieving and relaxing my tensions whether physical, mental, external problems. So in a sense like the Christians i see how everything is on me to let go and give myself up. Because gods infinite love is always there and readily available to feel and experience in this life. Maybe not in its infinite form all the time and only here and there out of body. But the blissful waves and surrounding ether are literally always available to any awareness that can relax and tune in to those deep layers of bliss and love. And i promise you it is not metaphorical. It literally feels like the most pure and unconditional love and infinite energy that you could ever imagine. And you can truly die once you know what that experience can feel like. My whole life has become dedicated to it simply from the first experience and no one ever needed to tell me anything. Every way I try to exress it are my own words and attempt with terrible vocabulary to say what many mystics say better.

Im going to stop here because I know I am overtyping, but the passion I feel for people to experience this, especially people like you, is strong. If you have any other questions or even critizism to what Ive said please dont hesitate. I wont be offended whatever you say, I honestly just want to help if I can.

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