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« Reply #60 on: September 20, 2014, 04:12:55 AM »
Yes, a possible death in this life time or a future life time.

Oi vey. Are these things pre-determined? I've never come to conclusion regarding "fate." I take your use of "possible" to suggest they aren't. At least not for a partially enlightened being? LOL

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« Reply #61 on: September 20, 2014, 12:43:21 PM »
Thank you, Jhananda. I have in fact completely healed it. Or rather, jhana, the charisms, awareness, did. It is in perfect health now :)
Good to hear your health is better.
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« Reply #62 on: September 24, 2014, 01:03:32 AM »
Oi vey. Are these things pre-determined? I've never come to conclusion regarding "fate." I take your use of "possible" to suggest they aren't. At least not for a partially enlightened being? LOL

I'm not sure I've mentioned it, but I am personally a fatalist. I believe everything is the work of fate.

I do believe in the -possibility- of free will. But, I do not believe we have free will by default. In my opinion, only the enlightened individual has free will in the real sense.
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« Reply #63 on: September 24, 2014, 03:15:40 AM »
Oi vey. Are these things pre-determined? I've never come to conclusion regarding "fate." I take your use of "possible" to suggest they aren't. At least not for a partially enlightened being? LOL

I'm not sure I've mentioned it, but I am personally a fatalist. I believe everything is the work of fate.

I do believe in the -possibility- of free will. But, I do not believe we have free will by default. In my opinion, only the enlightened individual has free will in the real sense.

I like this. Funny huh, that although we submit to fate, we see the pieces of fates puzzle form and come together little by little, even in advance of fated event? I find it to be humorous, yet none less impactfull upon event. Life sucks, dude. =)

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« Reply #64 on: September 24, 2014, 03:50:03 AM »
Oi vey. Are these things pre-determined? I've never come to conclusion regarding "fate." I take your use of "possible" to suggest they aren't. At least not for a partially enlightened being? LOL

I'm not sure I've mentioned it, but I am personally a fatalist. I believe everything is the work of fate.

I do believe in the -possibility- of free will. But, I do not believe we have free will by default. In my opinion, only the enlightened individual has free will in the real sense.

It seems the only free will there is, is the choice between resting in identity or Conscience. The rest is the work of those.

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« Reply #65 on: September 24, 2014, 07:26:50 PM »
Oi vey. Are these things pre-determined? I've never come to conclusion regarding "fate." I take your use of "possible" to suggest they aren't. At least not for a partially enlightened being? LOL

I'm not sure I've mentioned it, but I am personally a fatalist. I believe everything is the work of fate.

I do believe in the -possibility- of free will. But, I do not believe we have free will by default. In my opinion, only the enlightened individual has free will in the real sense.
It seems the only free will there is, is the choice between resting in identity or Conscience. The rest is the work of those.
With "a" as condition, "b" comes to be...  How depressing is this view of fatalism to think that everything is conditioned. I like to think that we can at least choose to end our suffering by not allowing craving and clinging to develop. I wonder what Jhananda and the other arahants think?

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« Reply #66 on: September 24, 2014, 07:32:47 PM »
With "a" as condition, "b" comes to be...  How depressing is this view of fatalism to think that everything is conditioned. I like to think that we can at least choose to end our suffering by not allowing craving and clinging to develop. I wonder what Jhananda and the other arahants think?
Well put, Michel.
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« Reply #67 on: September 24, 2014, 10:12:26 PM »
It seems the only free will there is, is the choice between resting in identity or Conscience. The rest is the work of those.
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With "a" as condition, "b" comes to be...  How depressing is this view of fatalism to think that everything is conditioned. I like to think that we can at least choose to end our suffering by not allowing craving and clinging to develop. I wonder what Jhananda and the other arahants think?
Well put, Michel.

Wait a second. This seriously needs to be addressed. Someone please tell me "No, this is not how it is, because of this and this and this" or say "Yes, this is also true in my experience." There is going to be a lot of failure due to language, but I will try my best to explain this.

"We are awareness", yes? Our awareness has capacity to be aware of everything (Union with God), or just one thing (union with a human body). What we are aware of will be provided potential--or in the case of Union--pure potential; "Life." But we don't actually choose how things progress, ALMOST like how God doesn't choose. We have influence by means of what our awareness rests with, and therefor potentiates,  but we don't make a choice.

It's just awareness, "Life", potential. This is what I mean by "Being Dhamma" or "being conscience" (NOT consciousness). Ultimately, we are just awareness/potential, either narrowing in on any kind of thing or sensation--such as this case with an awareness occupying a physical or spiritual body--and that thing or sensation then grows. Or we are the Transcendental all-seeing awareness feeding pure potential "Life" to all of existence via awareness of it (which would be Union.)

That's as best I can put it into words, and poorly so. Is this incorrect? Because it doesn't feel like it, and my experiences continually re-affirm it. At least someone help me put it into words better without watering it down.
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« Reply #68 on: September 24, 2014, 11:21:19 PM »
I don't know if I want to touch this one. Your experiences with the divine consciousness is out of my league. But I'll add my two cents. The Buddha's dhamma is all about making choices. We can choose to follow the N8P. We can choose to end our suffering by not allowing craving and clinging to arise. How is this done? We can keep everything at the level of sensory awareness by not allowing perceptual thinking to cause one to either delight in things that are pleasing or to have aversion for things that are displeasing. If you can saturate yourself in bliss and equanimity throughout the day then choose to do so.
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« Reply #69 on: September 24, 2014, 11:29:03 PM »
I don't know if I want to touch this one. Your experiences with the divine consciousness is out of my league. But I'll add my two cents. The Buddha's dhamma is all about making choices. We can choose to follow the N8P. We can choose to end our suffering by not allowing craving and clinging to arise. How is this done? We can keep everything at the level of sensory awareness by not allowing perceptual thinking to cause one to either delight in things that are pleasing or to have aversion for things that are displeasing. If you can saturate yourself in bliss and equanimity throughout the day then choose to do so.

Both your post and the one above it co-exist. Bliss is the placing of awareness into the spiritual body (which we call charisms.) You don't always "hit the jackpot", as Jhananda would say, but you give potential to it by being aware of it. The more often you are aware of spiritual body/charisms/bliss, the more potential it has to produce greater bliss.

(For jhana, which is absorption while still in the physical body)

Joy = Awareness Absorption in Mind
Bliss = Awareness Absorption in Spiritual Body (all charisms except revelation and kundalini)
Mild "Ecstasy"- Awareness Absorption in Awareness (soft kundalini and possibly insight)
Ecstasy = Awareness Absorption in God (STRONG kundalini and Revelation)
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« Reply #70 on: September 25, 2014, 02:00:41 AM »
It is where we confuse the choice to be aware, and live the lifestyle of awareness (N8P), verses believing that life will some how miraculously order itself around us, making lotuses bloom wherever we walk, or thorns to proliferate.  Life is full of blooming flowers, and thorns.  All we can do is do our best to avoid the thorns by leading a life of awareness.  Nonetheless, even if we lead an impeccable life we still might step on a few thorns, or bumped into a few criminals, from time to time.
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« Reply #71 on: September 25, 2014, 02:03:21 AM »
It is where we confuse the choice to be aware, and live the lifestyle of awareness (N8P), verses believing that life will some how miraculously order itself around us, making lotuses bloom wherever we walk, or thorns to proliferate.  Life is full of blooming flowers, and thorns.  All we can do is do our best to avoid the thorns by leading a life of awareness.  Nonetheless, even if we lead an impeccable life we still might step on a few thorns, or bumped into a few criminals, from time to time.

Hmmm, I wasn't saying that. But I get a feeling you are referring to all these New Age law of attraction and stuff?
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« Reply #72 on: September 25, 2014, 05:18:21 AM »
It is where we confuse the choice to be aware, and live the lifestyle of awareness (N8P), verses believing that life will some how miraculously order itself around us, making lotuses bloom wherever we walk, or thorns to proliferate.  Life is full of blooming flowers, and thorns.  All we can do is do our best to avoid the thorns by leading a life of awareness.  Nonetheless, even if we lead an impeccable life we still might step on a few thorns, or bumped into a few criminals, from time to time.

I'm sorry. Now I see that your response resonates with what I felt when writing. Again, my apologies. I was impulsive and ignorant. Thank you for your patience with me.
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« Reply #73 on: October 20, 2014, 04:10:52 PM »
Recently, when absorbing to sleep, I have been repeatedly shocked awake by voices. In the past I don't know why I wrote them off as nothing. But a recent experience has brought me to catalog it.

These voices that shock me awake, they appear to occur the moment I lose awareness of the physical body. They then stop the moment I re-enter the physical body and open the eyes suddenly.

I could be wrong, but these voices I don't recall to be particularly warm and comforting. Perhaps there are some which are, and I do not recall them due to them not disturbing me and causing a sudden wake.

Intuition suggests this is actually the experience of other visit beings who wish to explore and/or interact OOB with me. I can't be certain, but this explains why the voices only happen when absorbing to sleep.

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« Reply #74 on: November 20, 2014, 02:16:18 AM »
The rut is broken. I feel more tranquil and at peace than I ever have in my life. In the past I've mostly craved the ecstasy and energy of jhana. Kundalini and all that.

But never has tranquility felt this good. So good, that I can barely get myself to type this. I'm far more content to continue saturating in it.

Nothing is wrong. Nothing needs to be done. It is as it is. Stillness. One-pointedness in the heart-chakra was pleasant and absorbing. It led to 4th jhana. Weightless tranquility followed.

Peace, again, at last. Freedom. I could have sat there in meditation for eternity.
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